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Author Topic: "the Mooch"  (Read 71940 times)

Offline teazer

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Re: "the Mooch"
« Reply #840 on: Oct 25, 2018, 11:59:47 »
Fair comment J-Rod.
But I have to say that I'm not buying the left wing conspiracy theory that's being floated.  It is quite possible that it was a left leaning nut job rather than someone taking cues from the Liar in Chief, but it seems more likely to be a follower of Trump.

Did I hear someone suggest that it was a conspiracy to make it look like it came from Trump so that the left could be blamed for a false flag operation as a way to generate more anger on the right to get republican voters enraged and out to vote?

But we'll know when we know.

More to the point, Trump is enabling bad behavior because he sees that enraged people get passionate about voting their people into power.  It's a fear driven narrative that Dubbya used to a lesser extent and fear is a strong motivator that Republicans have weaponized quite effectively.

Not once have I heard Trump appeal to our better natures to rise above the noise to be a better version of who we are as a nation. That's not his thing. It's not who he is. Unfortunately it's one of the more important aspects of the job description of any leader.

Re: "the Mooch"
« Reply #841 on: Oct 25, 2018, 12:24:25 »
I'll hold off on commenting on this until someone is apprehended for it.

You mean until someone is apprehended for using unsecured cell phones that we know are being tapped and revealing information that is being used to cozy up to the American president? Oh, you mean the bombs thing.

Yeah -- Fox is already going into conspiracy theory mode, as are plenty of others on the right. That's not surprising. It used to be that "false flag" conspiracy theorizing was for the fringe, now it's a mainstream right wing policy position. I did some work on the Boston Marathon bombing and was in Boston just after it. There was a nutcase in Harvard Square ranting about it being a "false flag" operation. I was just walking by, but he almost got his ass handed to him by one or two other passersby and if he stayed there much longer spouting that bullshit he wouldn't last long.

More bombs found -- sent to Biden and De Niro.

Whoever sent those packages is clearly unhinged, but there is no denying that the environment created by Trump has enabled this. To deny it is to deny reality.

** I should add: today Trump tweeted, and blamed the media:

"A very big part of the Anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media that I refer to as Fake News. It has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. Mainstream Media must clean up its act, FAST!"
« Last Edit: Oct 25, 2018, 12:37:15 by carnivorous chicken »
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Re: "the Mooch"
« Reply #842 on: Oct 25, 2018, 13:08:30 »
The media holds some blame, IMO.

They relentlessly play sound bites, video clips, etc of members of the government, past and present, saying the time for civility is over, harass people that don't agree with you, etc.

The media has been weaponized, for both sides of the aisle.

I hadn't heard about ricin being sent to politicians on the right until yesterday, apparently three weeks after it happened.

The media shares what it wants, in the context it wants, not simply the news.


The New York Times published a fantasy piece yesterday about Trump being assassinated by a Russian and a secret service agent.
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Re: "the Mooch"
« Reply #843 on: Oct 25, 2018, 14:00:40 »
The media holds some blame, IMO.

They relentlessly play sound bites, video clips, etc of members of the government, past and present, saying the time for civility is over, harass people that don't agree with you, etc.

Wait -- the media are reporting what politicians are saying? And they are somehow to blame for that?

It's fantasy to say that some of the stuff people like Waters have said about being incivil is anything but a reaction to the incivility enouraged by the right following Trump -- why weren't they making these statements years before?

And let's be honest -- nobody was sent ricin. Plus I thought Jim Mattis was a democrat?

A British spy novelist writes a scenario that reveals Trump to be a Russian agent, in the book review section of the NYT, with four other spy novelists, that isn't all that far fetched in terms of premise. Not in very good taste, obviously, but nowhere near the same sort of thing as advocating violence.
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Re: "the Mooch"
« Reply #845 on: Oct 25, 2018, 14:39:14 »
"Let's be honest, no one was sent ricin."

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/10/18/politics/utah-ricin-letters-william-clyde-allen/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

Did you read the article you posted? He sent powder from castor beans, not ricin. Ricin comes from castor beans, but powder from castor beans isn't ricin.

The fact that you didn't hear about it until yesterday is a little surprising; the NYT reported it Oct 2, and reported the arrest Oct 3. They reported his indictment October 18. Perhaps you need better news sources.

 
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Re: "the Mooch"
« Reply #846 on: Oct 25, 2018, 15:04:07 »
The NYT, do they have a tv channel that blasts all the other nonsense all day and night? Or, was it a few sentences at the bottom of page six?

Re: "the Mooch"
« Reply #847 on: Oct 26, 2018, 11:09:29 »
More bombs found, more democrats targeted. More conspiracy theories from the right.

Worth a read: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/opinion/bombs-democrats-trump-republicans-civility.html

Goldberg discusses the difference between current left and right wing violence, and the institutionalization of the latter.

While the US is essentially under a terrorist attack, the president gives speeches and sends tweets that continue to vilify and demonize the free press and democrats. Class act.
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Re: "the Mooch"
« Reply #848 on: Oct 26, 2018, 11:23:36 »
With the amount of cameras out there these days, they should be able to locate who is doing this in a day or two.

Then we can put all these conspiracy theories to rest.

There is no doubt, though, whoever is doing it is committing acts of terrorism.

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Re: "the Mooch"
« Reply #849 on: Oct 26, 2018, 12:16:18 »
Reporting an arrest has been made.