"the Mooch"

[spotty]

they're all native americans ?

[stroker crazy]

they're all native americans ?

Close!

But not there.

[J-Rod10]

Trump is making moves to pull us out of an international postal deal.

I dig it. China pays roughly $0.20 on the dollar to ship stuff here. It costs me $72 to ship a box over there. They sell something for $0.99, and ship it for free, and the government subsidizes their shipping on it.

Imo, this is how you hurt China, more-so than the tariffs. Make it to where the government can't afford to subsidize their shipping.

I know a guy, who is in RV refrigeration. He has started buying his units from China. $73 and some change built and shipped to his door, per unit. When he ships them to shops all over the US, over $100 in shipping per.

[teazer]

That is spot on.  Shipping from China is ridiculously cheap .  I like it when I am buying titanium bolts and electronic but it makes absolutely no sense.

In reality though that leaves me with too choices if/when that postage charge rises.  I will be able to pay more for things to no advantage to the US economy or I can do without because they are just not available at any price. So again that helps me to stop spending on things I can't afford but doesn't help the US economy.  For example I can buy folding footpegs for next to nothing from China but from a US supplier they are many times more expensive, so a small increase for freight is a small penalty for me to spend more on Chinese products so I end up wit less cash to spend locally.

Or I decide the old footpegs I have in a box under the bench are good enough and I have a little more cash to save or spend locally.  Glad I'm not an economist trying to work out the impact of these things.  Mind you, the economists I know that used to work that stuff out no longer work for this administration because Trump wasn't interested in facts.  It's an odd world we live in.

[J-Rod10]

What's the flip side of that, though? Just keep letting China bend us over, because they were allowed to start?

I understand there will be some pain involved for some, but, do you trade some short term pain for the betterment of the US, or not?

I lean towards doing so.

[Sav0r]

The postal situation certainly does need sorting.

Just from an environmental standpoint it's preposterous, then factor in the economic side and it's just plain stupid.