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Author Topic: 75 CB360 - bad omen "yatagarasu" build  (Read 39067 times)

Offline MiniatureNinja

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Re: 75 CB360 - bad omen "yatagarasu" build
« Reply #110 on: Mar 15, 2018, 14:01:03 »
You need to line up TDC accurately  then just make a mark on stator. An automotive style bolt on plate should work (but you will have to fabricate something)
SUN rims? Any particular reason? Probably overkill unless your going dirt track racing or using WM4/5 rear and need matching front? The Mikes XS WM3 are fine for weight/use on 360 (or XS650  ;D )

Ah, so set engine to TDC left Cyl - then make the mark on the stator where the LT mark lines up. Good idea.

also, Sun rims are not as tall as the Mikes wheels... I really don't like how tall they are. That's it - vanity only
'75 Honda CB360 - thread

Offline crazypj

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Re: 75 CB360 - bad omen "yatagarasu" build
« Reply #111 on: Mar 15, 2018, 14:08:18 »
Thought it may be something like that.
Mikes used to do 'smooth' rims but haven't got on site for a long time and think they may no longer be available?
 Use 18" WM 3 both ends, works well with noticeable handling improvement or 18" WM2 front, WM3 rear, either set up seems to work well
'you can take my word for it or argue until you find out I'm right'
Best thing I ever overheard
"yep, PJ's my boss, he taught me everything I know, just didn't teach me everything he knows"
Brian Morgan, 1982

CB360's,  http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=11736.0
XS650,  http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=11922.0

Offline MiniatureNinja

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Re: 75 CB360 - bad omen "yatagarasu" build
« Reply #112 on: Mar 15, 2018, 14:37:57 »
Thought it may be something like that.
Mikes used to do 'smooth' rims but haven't got on site for a long time and think they may no longer be available?
 Use 18" WM 3 both ends, works well with noticeable handling improvement or 18" WM2 front, WM3 rear, either set up seems to work well

I'm doing my best to be metric - but WM2 is 1.85" correct?

I planned to use a 1.85 front, and 2.15 rear with a 3.50-4.00 rear and a 3.00-3.25 front
I was going to get Metzeler Block C tires but they aren't great for grip - I realize there is going to be some sacrifice for a "vintage look" tire... I refuse to use the firestones EVERYONE uses they are trash, but anything has to be better than the ChenShen C-max I have


EDIT:

OK, so I checked their site, and the "WM type" seams to be the "smooth" wheel I am looking for - the photo seams identical to the "H" profile wheel so that may have lead to my confusion.

but they do not list a 1.85x18 36 spoke WM type wheel
« Last Edit: Mar 15, 2018, 14:46:09 by MiniatureNinja »
'75 Honda CB360 - thread

Offline crazypj

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Re: 75 CB360 - bad omen "yatagarasu" build
« Reply #113 on: Mar 15, 2018, 20:46:29 »
Yep, 1.85" internal on flange
When Mike was running site it was relatively easy to get in touch and get real answers to just about any question with the parts. I heard  several years ago that it's now almost impossible to get a decent answer to parts questions? (since about 2011~12) No idea if things have improved as my XS's have been 'on hold' for several years. The XS rear rim on front drum hub is a direct fit (XS rear hub flange is same dimension as Honda, I measured rear XS hub I have ) Fitting to a smaller disk hub needs edges of spoke holes relieved or there will be a 'kink' at the rim leading to possible spoke breakage. Rear hub on 360's, although smaller than XS isn't enough to make a difference.
You can use WM 3 on front, tyre 'spreads' slightly but even a 90/90 is a good fit (wouldn't use a 75-80/90 though)
If your using 3.00~3.25 it will be a major improvement over stock rims
'you can take my word for it or argue until you find out I'm right'
Best thing I ever overheard
"yep, PJ's my boss, he taught me everything I know, just didn't teach me everything he knows"
Brian Morgan, 1982

CB360's,  http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=11736.0
XS650,  http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=11922.0

Offline MiniatureNinja

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Re: 75 CB360 - bad omen "yatagarasu" build
« Reply #114 on: Mar 16, 2018, 02:13:05 »
as promised. PARTS!

Speedy Siegl Racing Aluminium Brake Stay, Bronze swingarm bushings, and new shock mount bushings - also the CJ360 swingarm with it's enclosed axle housing and about 1.5" longer than the CB version


DCC Micro Gauge - its hard to tell how small this thing is... 1.9" diameter, so awesome.


Clip Ons, GP Levers (cable brake and clutch) - Biltwell grips


Brake Lines and Pipe - Goodridge Sniper II line - modified pipe to fit. will go the remote master under tank


Barnett Springs & New EBC discs little extra grab, also drilled out the clutch basket for better cooling



Rick's High Output Stator Kit - Rick's is an awesome company and their kits are almost required for these bikes (especially since i am running a LiFePo4 battery


EMGO universal Coils - hoping this work - had to move coils due to location of master cylinder so these came up


Seal Kit - not much to discuss, it's just a seal kit


Motion Pro clutch cable for shorter bars (10" shorter than stock)


Shocks - 4Into1 Supplied these for me, they are adjustable for damping, preload, and length - also progressive


All Balls Tapered steering head bearings. Never knew mine were so bad until I actually pulled it apart and some balls were MISSING!


Lani hooked me up wit this copper head gasket - 69.5mm bore, .042" thick solid copper. Waiting for pistons back from shop before I have to order base gasket from him too




also, rear seat hoop all welded up! no wjust have to weld the shock tabs and mounts - figuring out how to get it all square
« Last Edit: Mar 16, 2018, 02:29:25 by MiniatureNinja »
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Re: 75 CB360 - bad omen "yatagarasu" build
« Reply #115 on: Mar 16, 2018, 06:40:30 »

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Re: 75 CB360 - bad omen "yatagarasu" build
« Reply #116 on: Mar 16, 2018, 10:02:18 »
Shouldn't have any issues with EMGO coils, I've used them a couple of times. What throttle are you going to use?
While your welding on frame you may want to get a piece of box section welded in where 'saddle tubes' meet top frame I use 2"x1"x 1/16" wall thickness
I got some pictures on 'Build to Blog' reply 468
http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=11736.450
« Last Edit: Mar 16, 2018, 11:36:43 by crazypj »
'you can take my word for it or argue until you find out I'm right'
Best thing I ever overheard
"yep, PJ's my boss, he taught me everything I know, just didn't teach me everything he knows"
Brian Morgan, 1982

CB360's,  http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=11736.0
XS650,  http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=11922.0

Offline MiniatureNinja

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Re: 75 CB360 - bad omen "yatagarasu" build
« Reply #117 on: Mar 16, 2018, 13:19:45 »
Shouldn't have any issues with EMGO coils, I've used them a couple of times. What throttle are you going to use?
While your welding on frame you may want to get a piece of box section welded in where 'saddle tubes' meet top frame I use 2"x1"x 1/16" wall thickness
I got some pictures on 'Build to Blog' reply 468
http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=11736.450

Throttle is a Motion Pro Honda CR "push pull" throttle - and new cables by them as well. I'm debating a single cable throttle to clean the bars up but I really don't mind the dual throttle cables it looks mean

also, I plan to weld some 3/4" angle at that spot to mount the electronics tray I showed you, should strengthen it up real nice back there
'75 Honda CB360 - thread

Offline MiniatureNinja

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Re: 75 CB360 - bad omen "yatagarasu" build
« Reply #118 on: Mar 17, 2018, 15:34:12 »
RANT:


got my order from moto-madness
i ordered a 520 chain conversion with a gold EK o-ring chain, 35t aluminium rear and 16t steel front sprocket. 3 weeks after nothing showed up I emailed the owner and got an immediate response, they were out of 38t sprockets. Ok, but I ordered a 35t!!! sorted out, order arrived - sprockets only in the mail, look great... drop shipped from rebel gears . That's irritating, I would have just ordered direct. No chain. so I emailed again - chain on a separate order to arrive today, which it did. Drop shipped from Vortex Racing - again, I would have just ordered DIRECT. Opened the box and it's the WRONG DAMN CHAIN.

I'm very annoyed. Next time I will order direct from the manufacturers, thought moto-madness would take care of me but nope.
« Last Edit: Mar 17, 2018, 15:37:17 by MiniatureNinja »
'75 Honda CB360 - thread

Offline crazypj

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Re: 75 CB360 - bad omen "yatagarasu" build
« Reply #119 on: Mar 17, 2018, 16:05:05 »
Welcome to the world of 'instant Internet experts'
It made me mad for a long time, I deleted over 1100 posts on this site when I first joined as too many 'experts were flaming me for telling it as it is plus didn't even log in for several months.
Many  of the 'flamers' are still here and 'well respected' but now repeat the things I told them 9~10 yrs ago so I guess they were willing to learn (but still haven't said sorry for being assholes)
I haven't used 'closing' cables on CV carbs since 1978 (except on customer bikes - never know how bad maintenance will be there)
Only time I've ever had an issue was on 1968 Honda CD175, water got in cable and wind chill froze cable wide open. Killing ignition stopped bike and 10 mins standing  still the engine heat unfroze cable. Went a lot slower the last 30 miles home (coming back from 1976 Dragon Rally in North Wales)
'you can take my word for it or argue until you find out I'm right'
Best thing I ever overheard
"yep, PJ's my boss, he taught me everything I know, just didn't teach me everything he knows"
Brian Morgan, 1982

CB360's,  http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=11736.0
XS650,  http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=11922.0