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Author Topic: 75 CB360 - bad omen "yatagarasu" build  (Read 41099 times)

Offline MiniatureNinja

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Re: 75 CB360 - bad omen "yatagarasu" build
« Reply #180 on: Apr 07, 2018, 17:58:16 »
Also,

Oil transfer unmodified:



And Modified:


Its opened up right to where the spring sits. I only found 1 damn picture of this modification on Google and it came with a footnote from pj... basically saying not to do it that way.
So this is the way I did it instead.
'75 Honda CB360 - thread

Offline crazypj

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Re: 75 CB360 - bad omen "yatagarasu" build
« Reply #181 on: Apr 07, 2018, 18:04:32 »
LOL, I think the only picture is one I posted few years ago. (don't remember when I actually took it even) As I was re-assembling I realised I had gone too far in one direction so warned everyone else not to make the same mistake. I do them exactly like yours now but haven't ever taken another picture, just the 'warning'  ;D
I'm going to link that to a friend in Britain who's seriously thinking of swapping his Tag-Heur watch for a rebuilt CB360
Oh, washer doesn't take up all the play, the spring in the connector holds things in place
« Last Edit: Apr 07, 2018, 18:13:38 by crazypj »
'you can take my word for it or argue until you find out I'm right'
Best thing I ever overheard
"yep, PJ's my boss, he taught me everything I know, just didn't teach me everything he knows"
Brian Morgan, 1982

CB360's,  http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=11736.0
XS650,  http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=11922.0

Offline MiniatureNinja

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Re: 75 CB360 - bad omen "yatagarasu" build
« Reply #182 on: Apr 08, 2018, 00:17:34 »
good to know. now people will see these images maybe. I'll have to do a full write-up on my website

I can't seam to get the oil filter lock nut lock washer to bend - I'll have to run to the other shop to grab a heavy duty pick and try it that way. (engine is at Home in the back garden, while nearly everything else is at the shop with the heavy metal working equipment. sometimes I am carting tools between the shop and home.
'75 Honda CB360 - thread

Offline MiniatureNinja

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Re: 75 CB360 - bad omen "yatagarasu" build
« Reply #183 on: Apr 08, 2018, 17:45:06 »


today:

head bolt oil holes in rear of top case - drilled out to 3/32 (at first I thought I was going to remove the headstuds to make this easier to drill... then I just bought a long ass drill bit)
Oil Filter locknut lock plate tabs bent into locking position - used needle nose pliers to do the job.
clutch fitted and installed - clutch rod and mechanism on sprocket cover installed.
side covers fitted (No gaskets) to keep everything covered and instact while I do the rest of the assembly.
Somewhere along the line I lost my alternator cover. It was badly damaged from when I accidentally dropped the bike (stationary) and the shift lever decided to punch it. So I'll have to find a new one of those, no big deal.

I love that the copper gasket is peaking out there, nice contrast with the black and polished aluminium and a little hint that this motor isn't stock

One thing that was concerning me - the starter. Althought it turns freely when tested on the bench, it seams to wobble, and the drive doesn't look like it's straight. I may have to get a new one of those from eBay too, maybe a Rick's Hot Starter?



EDIT: I found these two - shims? they are very thin. I am not sure what they are for, starter maybe?
I pulled the starter apart and the head planetary gear drive part just turns TERRIBLE, the bearing spins but with resistance. So I am getting a new bearing and that should fix it.
just not sure what these shims are for :(

« Last Edit: Apr 08, 2018, 20:42:54 by MiniatureNinja »
'75 Honda CB360 - thread

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Re: 75 CB360 - bad omen "yatagarasu" build
« Reply #184 on: Apr 08, 2018, 23:33:10 »
Looking good. I have a good used starter I took off my 360 I’ll let go cheap, PM me if you’re interested.


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Offline crazypj

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Re: 75 CB360 - bad omen "yatagarasu" build
« Reply #185 on: Apr 09, 2018, 12:10:48 »
If the hole is about 10mm and are about 0.25mm thick they are probably out of starter.
'you can take my word for it or argue until you find out I'm right'
Best thing I ever overheard
"yep, PJ's my boss, he taught me everything I know, just didn't teach me everything he knows"
Brian Morgan, 1982

CB360's,  http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=11736.0
XS650,  http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=11922.0

Offline MiniatureNinja

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Re: 75 CB360 - bad omen "yatagarasu" build
« Reply #186 on: Apr 09, 2018, 13:21:35 »
If the hole is about 10mm and are about 0.25mm thick they are probably out of starter.

Because of the starter not freely rotating like I thought it should, I pulled it apart - and while I thought I put it together right, I didn't install the shims. Actually went together much easier with the shims, and I also discovered that I do indeed need a new bearing - which wasn't in the rebuild kit.
it's a 6203z bearing, which is common and I can get one from an auto supply store I think
'75 Honda CB360 - thread

Offline crazypj

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Re: 75 CB360 - bad omen "yatagarasu" build
« Reply #187 on: Apr 10, 2018, 14:40:28 »
I don't think I've ever even heard of the 'nose' bearing failing on 360 unless starter has been underwater (even then it was off bike and in a bucket)
'you can take my word for it or argue until you find out I'm right'
Best thing I ever overheard
"yep, PJ's my boss, he taught me everything I know, just didn't teach me everything he knows"
Brian Morgan, 1982

CB360's,  http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=11736.0
XS650,  http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=11922.0

Offline MiniatureNinja

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Re: 75 CB360 - bad omen "yatagarasu" build
« Reply #188 on: Apr 10, 2018, 20:37:26 »
I don't think I've ever even heard of the 'nose' bearing failing on 360 unless starter has been underwater (even then it was off bike and in a bucket)

would explain why it's not part numbered in any diagrams

ball bearings themselvs are supposed to be "lifetime" anyway, nothing really fails on a ball bearing unless an outside force is applied (corrosion would be the most common)

But I got a bearing (same as factory, NTN 6003z) - When i took it apart it looks as though the shield had been crushed during the install... i didn't touch the bearing as the kit did not come with a replacement, so i can only assume it was taken apart and fucked up before I got it, which follows the theme of the rest of this bike.

I was hoping to not have to get a new starter, as I just spent $94 on K&N filters. HAHA
'75 Honda CB360 - thread

Offline crazypj

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Re: 75 CB360 - bad omen "yatagarasu" build
« Reply #189 on: Apr 10, 2018, 20:39:50 »
Wow, whoever had that bike before you was a special kind of stupid.  ;D
'you can take my word for it or argue until you find out I'm right'
Best thing I ever overheard
"yep, PJ's my boss, he taught me everything I know, just didn't teach me everything he knows"
Brian Morgan, 1982

CB360's,  http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=11736.0
XS650,  http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=11922.0