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Author Topic: 1997 BMW F650 ST Bluebird - Repair, maintain, ride.  (Read 535 times)

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Over the winter I picked up this F650 ST. I had been wanting a newer, more reliable bike that I can use as a daily while I wrench on the vintage stuff. The seller disclaimed that it had some milky oil, and after doing some research on these bikes I narrowed down the possibilities to a faulty water pump seal, or a blown head gasket.

Once I got the old girl home, she looked pretty clean. About 50k miles and the motor should be barely broken in. The bike actually included all the original paperwork, and the maintenance records since new.

Besides the obvious coolant leak issue, a few cosmetic issues, leaking fork seals and some pretty thin brake pads will all get addressed.
"He broke the mirrors off his Cadillac, 'cause he doesn't like it looking like he looks back."

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Re: 1997 BMW F650 ST Bluebird - Repair, maintain, ride.
« Reply #1 on: Jul 19, 2018, 02:22:17 »
So I cleaned the carbs and fired her up to get the oil circulating so I could drain it and see whatís what. No bueno. Looked like a melted Frosty mixed with soot and poo.

I decided to start with the simpler solution and replace the water pump shaft and seal, despite the fact that the maintenance records said it was done fairly recently. The water pump seal is basically a 20k mile maintenance item on these motors and from everything I can tell is the only crux of the Rotax lump.

"He broke the mirrors off his Cadillac, 'cause he doesn't like it looking like he looks back."

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Suzuki FA50 "No-Ped" - http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=71189.0
73 Suzuki RV125 -http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=73875.0
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Re: 1997 BMW F650 ST Bluebird - Repair, maintain, ride.
« Reply #2 on: Jul 19, 2018, 02:26:04 »
After the water pump is done, I changed the oil and test ran the bike again just to get it warmed up. It looked ok in the OIF tank but draining out came the same frothy mess.

So into the motor we go. Itís a pretty straightforward motor and game apart pretty easily. Once I got the head off, it was pretty clear that the culprit was the head gasket.
"He broke the mirrors off his Cadillac, 'cause he doesn't like it looking like he looks back."

74 CB360 - Luna - http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=63294.0 - Sold
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74 XL350 - The Turd - http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=70252.0 - Sold
Suzuki FA50 "No-Ped" - http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=71189.0
73 Suzuki RV125 -http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=73875.0
'97 BMW F650st - http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=75732.0

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Re: 1997 BMW F650 ST Bluebird - Repair, maintain, ride.
« Reply #3 on: Jul 19, 2018, 02:36:16 »
A pile of parts were ordered including new circlips, rings, a set of kibblewhite valves and seals, base and head gasket, etc.

I ended up replacing the thermostat since the PO had deleted it for some reason that is beyond me.

The whole top end went out to a local machine shop that builds racing motors. Cylinder and piston clearance measured within spec, and the original cross hatch could even still be seen on the barrel.

Machinist surfaced the mating surfaces between the head and cylinder. They pulled vacuum on the head and cylinder,  skimmed about .003Ē off between the two surfaces, cut in the new Kibblewhite valves and shimmed the valves. I need to pop the valve cover off and check the clearances before I run it.

The last few months Iíve been building a new kitchen in our house from scratch and coming up to the home stretch on that project. So I hope to get back on this as soon as thatís finished.

Currently, the motor is back together, just needs the carbs installed and itís ready for a test fire.
"He broke the mirrors off his Cadillac, 'cause he doesn't like it looking like he looks back."

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73 Suzuki RV125 -http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=73875.0
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Re: 1997 BMW F650 ST Bluebird - Repair, maintain, ride.
« Reply #4 on: Jul 19, 2018, 08:25:43 »
WOW, sorry for your troubles.  But looks like its going your way now!!!    8)

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Re: 1997 BMW F650 ST Bluebird - Repair, maintain, ride.
« Reply #5 on: Jul 19, 2018, 09:30:10 »
That oil is nasty, but you'll sort it out I am sure.
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Re: 1997 BMW F650 ST Bluebird - Repair, maintain, ride.
« Reply #6 on: Jul 19, 2018, 14:39:14 »
She'll be like new. 
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Re: 1997 BMW F650 ST Bluebird - Repair, maintain, ride.
« Reply #7 on: Jul 19, 2018, 14:44:39 »
Sweet man, we can embark on our ďrestorationsĒ together and see how the plans of mice and men unravel


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Re: 1997 BMW F650 ST Bluebird - Repair, maintain, ride.
« Reply #8 on: Jul 19, 2018, 19:52:01 »
I love the look of a fresh milled head.
What is your plan for the styling of the bike?
I'm not sure, but don't ask Brodie.

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Re: 1997 BMW F650 ST Bluebird - Repair, maintain, ride.
« Reply #9 on: Jul 19, 2018, 20:35:33 »
Yisss! I'm in

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Re: 1997 BMW F650 ST Bluebird - Repair, maintain, ride.
« Reply #10 on: Jul 19, 2018, 22:19:43 »
Welcome aboard fellas.

Plan right now is to get it running and ride it. Iím going to get some crash bars from Evil Chop and possibly wrap the plastics in white vinyl. Probably ditch the windscreen for something a bit more aesthetically pleasing, but Iíll see how this one performs on the highway before I go swapping anything out.


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"He broke the mirrors off his Cadillac, 'cause he doesn't like it looking like he looks back."

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74 XL350 - The Turd - http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=70252.0 - Sold
Suzuki FA50 "No-Ped" - http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=71189.0
73 Suzuki RV125 -http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=73875.0
'97 BMW F650st - http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=75732.0

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Re: 1997 BMW F650 ST Bluebird - Repair, maintain, ride.
« Reply #11 on: Aug 17, 2018, 11:28:59 »
The kitchen is ramping down so Iíve been able to spend a little time on the bike.

There was a big nasty blob of tar smeared along the bottom of the stator cover. I assume it was just weeping some oil and a PO didnít feel like pulling the cover to replace the gasket. The cover itself is a little nicked up, so Iíll use some slightly thicker material to make a gasket and put a thin coat of Yamabond along that bottom edge to avoid any drips. I used acetone and a brass wire brush to get the crap off. What a mess.

"He broke the mirrors off his Cadillac, 'cause he doesn't like it looking like he looks back."

74 CB360 - Luna - http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=63294.0 - Sold
82 GS550L - Tracker-ish - http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=67229.0 - Sold
74 XL350 - The Turd - http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=70252.0 - Sold
Suzuki FA50 "No-Ped" - http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=71189.0
73 Suzuki RV125 -http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=73875.0
'97 BMW F650st - http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=75732.0

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Re: 1997 BMW F650 ST Bluebird - Repair, maintain, ride.
« Reply #12 on: Aug 17, 2018, 11:32:19 »
I pulled off the broken clutch actuator and luckily I found the missing spline hanging out in the recess where the actuator sits inside the Clutch cover. Glad I was able to recover the piece as itís a big chunk and couldíve caused some major problems down the road.

I got the new ($85 ) actuator installed and the snap ring that holds it in place was slightly deformed. I ordered a pack of 300 assorted metric external snap rings from amazon for about $12 so Iíll swap it out for a new one before I button the cover back up.
"He broke the mirrors off his Cadillac, 'cause he doesn't like it looking like he looks back."

74 CB360 - Luna - http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=63294.0 - Sold
82 GS550L - Tracker-ish - http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=67229.0 - Sold
74 XL350 - The Turd - http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=70252.0 - Sold
Suzuki FA50 "No-Ped" - http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=71189.0
73 Suzuki RV125 -http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=73875.0
'97 BMW F650st - http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=75732.0

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Re: 1997 BMW F650 ST Bluebird - Repair, maintain, ride.
« Reply #13 on: Aug 17, 2018, 12:34:28 »
Vroom vroom, soon.
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Re: 1997 BMW F650 ST Bluebird - Repair, maintain, ride.
« Reply #14 on: Aug 17, 2018, 18:05:45 »
I got the new ($85 ) actuator installed and the snap ring that holds it in place was slightly deformed.

https://www.canampartshouse.com/oemparts/p/can_am/420259203/rack-actuation-clutch

Sooner or later, you'll figure out that this is a DS650 engine and the parts are half as much.

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Re: 1997 BMW F650 ST Bluebird - Repair, maintain, ride.
« Reply #15 on: Aug 17, 2018, 19:13:08 »
https://www.canampartshouse.com/oemparts/p/can_am/420259203/rack-actuation-clutch

Sooner or later, you'll figure out that this is a DS650 engine and the parts are half as much.


Yeah. I figured that out about 3 months ago after I had already ordered this in from BMWAG. Too late.


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"He broke the mirrors off his Cadillac, 'cause he doesn't like it looking like he looks back."

74 CB360 - Luna - http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=63294.0 - Sold
82 GS550L - Tracker-ish - http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=67229.0 - Sold
74 XL350 - The Turd - http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=70252.0 - Sold
Suzuki FA50 "No-Ped" - http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=71189.0
73 Suzuki RV125 -http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=73875.0
'97 BMW F650st - http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=75732.0