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Author Topic: Crime, and the absence of military grade machine guns  (Read 654 times)

Offline Scooter trash

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Full on 50 caliber machine guns, and others, are legal. Between California, Texas, and Florida, there are over 60,000 legal registered military grade, machine guns...and zero used in a crime. They are registered, and you must pass a background test that is stiffer than a normal Conceal carry. Bump stocks did not qualify as a machine gun.
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Re: Crime, and the absence of military grade machine guns
« Reply #1 on: Aug 09, 2018, 23:24:26 »
what are you saying here?

are you implying that machine guns are not a right? if so, how on earth do you come to that conclusion based on our bill of rights?
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Re: Crime, and the absence of military grade machine guns
« Reply #2 on: Aug 10, 2018, 01:02:54 »
You also donít have to be trained or certified, you just have to have a tax stamp from the gov. They cost around $10,000 for a grease gun which is basically entry level so they are generally only owned by collectors.


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Re: Crime, and the absence of military grade machine guns
« Reply #3 on: Aug 10, 2018, 01:18:40 »
So, was this supposed to debunk the whole "military grade weapons in citizens hands are dangerous" bit, or na? Since citizens have actual military grade weapons, and nobody is committing crimes with them.

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Re: Crime, and the absence of military grade machine guns
« Reply #4 on: Aug 10, 2018, 01:22:50 »
So, was this supposed to debunk the whole "military grade weapons in citizens hands are dangerous" bit, or na? Since citizens have actual military grade weapons, and nobody is committing crimes with them.

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what is all this talk about "military grade" weapons?

military grade is what the government was willing to spend on millions of rifles - AKA complete SHIT from the lowest bidder that could meet supply demands. I was 0331 (machine gunner) and I carried 3 spare barrels on any venture OTW.

the rifles I own now are of far better quality, and I while they may not be black and scary looking, they will fuck you up more than the ones I used while I was making terrorist wannabes do the room temperature challenge
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Re: Crime, and the absence of military grade machine guns
« Reply #5 on: Aug 10, 2018, 07:16:32 »
More of a crack at the ban the AR-15 because nobody should have military grade weapons crowd.

Re: Crime, and the absence of military grade machine guns
« Reply #6 on: Aug 10, 2018, 12:03:42 »
I read it more as support for stronger background checks and closed loopholes, but of course I'm probably wrong.
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Re: Crime, and the absence of military grade machine guns
« Reply #7 on: Aug 10, 2018, 17:22:51 »
The point is that these weapons are deadly but not a threat for one reason, they are registered. You can't give out deadly force as a right or it will get abused in the wrong hands. Not everyone with a right, is sane. Not everyone with a right, will have common sense.
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Re: Crime, and the absence of military grade machine guns
« Reply #8 on: Aug 10, 2018, 19:34:55 »
I'd be cool with closing the miniscule "loophole" at gun shows. Where private citizens can sell freely.

Any weapon purchased legally from a dealer, there is record of the purchase.

On your attempted point of tying regulation to lack of crimes committed, I think the wrong question is being asked. A better question, is do people with the means to legally purchase these weapons, commit less violent crime?

I don't know how many people in a hurry to kill folks have $20K to spend on a firearm to do it with, nor the patience to wait months, up to a year to get final approval.

Meanwhile, they're used illegally, infrequently, but used.
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Re: Crime, and the absence of military grade machine guns
« Reply #9 on: Aug 10, 2018, 20:00:43 »
Part of owning a Title II weapon, is giving the ATF access to your home at any time they so choose to show up.

Do you suggest, that should be required to own a weapon? A constitutionally guaranteed right, mind you.