Vintage forks with progressive springs, still not enough

HollywoodMX

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On my tracker I have the vintage air forks and added the progressive springs which is suppose to be an upgrade but they bottom out on hitting the curb on my drive way for example. I am a light person and my rear shock is semi-modern (1997 triumph). Is there anything else I can do? Add more oil over the spec? Adding air does help but I don't think it keeps it in... Add spacers, washers?
 
Add the correct springs, check the pre-load? TR1 forks, if anything, are very much on the stiff side with progressive springs, if I am honest...
 
I put CB650 forks on my RD350. I have been messing with different viscosity fork oils to lighten them up. You're limited by your springs, to a degree, but heavier fork oil can stiffen them up in damping and keep them from bottoming out. What it won't help you with is sag. I shim the springs to cover sag.
 
Irk hit the nail on the head. Either the springs are too soft or the sag is too small - or both. Ticker oil and more oil will increase the resistance to bottoming out but check sag first and then add a spacer or try springs with a stiffer rate. I suspect that a longer spacer might be enough to do the job.

Ask someone to hold the bike upright and then press down firmly at the rear of the fuel tank and see if the front dives more than the rear. ideally the bike will "drop" evenly and somewhat slowly.
 
Add the correct springs, check the pre-load? TR1 forks, if anything, are very much on the stiff side with progressive springs, if I am honest...
Its the progressive spring upgrade for the xv920 so aftermarket correct, your supposed to be able to run these without the air added, iirc. I'll check it the preload I forgot these are adjustable, lol. Hopefully thats it. The front has never felt stiff.

I put CB650 forks on my RD350. I have been messing with different viscosity fork oils to lighten them up. You're limited by your springs, to a degree, but heavier fork oil can stiffen them up in damping and keep them from bottoming out. What it won't help you with is sag. I shim the springs to cover sag.
Irk hit the nail on the head. Either the springs are too soft or the sag is too small - or both. Ticker oil and more oil will increase the resistance to bottoming out but check sag first and then add a spacer or try springs with a stiffer rate. I suspect that a longer spacer might be enough to do the job.

Ask someone to hold the bike upright and then press down firmly at the rear of the fuel tank and see if the front dives more than the rear. ideally the bike will "drop" evenly and somewhat slowly.
Oh the front will never overcome the power of the less rear sag. The rear shock has no issue other then being tighter or more modern of what the pos of what the front is. I think I need shims said above. Mike bike is 120+ lbs less than the triumph.. not much I can do about that that. I have the rear set at Cadillac settings and still out performs the front. The overall handling of the bike is good, I can hooligan the hell out of this bike with body lean and rip through street turns that I could never do on my sport bike, just the hard bumps not so much.
 
"Oh the front will never overcome the power of the less rear sag." You are correct that if one end is wrong, tweaking the other end won't fix it.

Maybe I should have explained that better. Assuming that the rear end is close to being right, that test I suggested gives a good idea as to whether one end or the other is sprung too light or heavy or if the damping is well balanced back to front. It's an easy test to determine which end needs to be changed.

In your case, I would expect the front to dive more and to dive faster than the rear which would indicate the springs are too soft and the damping is too light. the two should be balanced.

Stock springs or aftermarket doesn't matter what they say on the box. All that matters is how they work. What is the static sag and is it too much? If it is, try more pre-load. If static sag is OK then a soft front end comes down to springs too soft.

Adding additional oil decreases the air space and acts as an air spring and that may be enough to cure the problem but probably not.

Thicker oil will slow down the rate that the front end dives and will also slow the rate at which it returns. Too much damping makes for a bike that doesn't handle rapid changes of direction.

If your bike has too much sag at the rear then try adding more pre-load to get it right. It almost sounds like the front end spring rate is too low and the rear has too little preload but I may be misinterpreting your comments

But start with sag. at both ends. if that's not right, the rest will never be right.
 
Its the progressive spring upgrade for the xv920 so aftermarket correct, your supposed to be able to run these without the air added, iirc. I'll check it the preload I forgot these are adjustable, lol. Hopefully thats it. The front has never felt stiff.
Make sure you have the right spacers for the forks. I recall at least Wilbers used to ship them with very different (i.e. longer) spacers. Also you had to state your weight and they would match the springs for you.
 
"Oh the front will never overcome the power of the less rear sag." You are correct that if one end is wrong, tweaking the other end won't fix it.

Maybe I should have explained that better. Assuming that the rear end is close to being right, that test I suggested gives a good idea as to whether one end or the other is sprung too light or heavy or if the damping is well balanced back to front. It's an easy test to determine which end needs to be changed.

In your case, I would expect the front to dive more and to dive faster than the rear which would indicate the springs are too soft and the damping is too light. the two should be balanced.

Stock springs or aftermarket doesn't matter what they say on the box. All that matters is how they work. What is the static sag and is it too much? If it is, try more pre-load. If static sag is OK then a soft front end comes down to springs too soft.

Adding additional oil decreases the air space and acts as an air spring and that may be enough to cure the problem but probably not.

Thicker oil will slow down the rate that the front end dives and will also slow the rate at which it returns. Too much damping makes for a bike that doesn't handle rapid changes of direction.

If your bike has too much sag at the rear then try adding more pre-load to get it right. It almost sounds like the front end spring rate is too low and the rear has too little preload but I may be misinterpreting your comments

But start with sag. at both ends. if that's not right, the rest will never be right.
Ya it's not a sag issue. It's mechanical.
 
Make sure you have the right spacers for the forks. I recall at least Wilbers used to ship them with very different (i.e. longer) spacers. Also you had to state your weight and they would match the springs for you.
Ya that vaguely sounds familiar. Ya it was years ago when installed them. I always keep all that packaging. I remember them coming with spacers, ill investigate.
 
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