art or shit?

Skuzzrat said:
Its funny, I asked about graffiti cause usually people tend to have hardened attitudes towards it, either it's art or it's crap. Having participated in it for almost 2 decades now I am convinced it's not an art, it is a craft.

IMO, some graffiti is absolutely art (though a lot of it is just crap). The problem with graffiti is that it's often applied to property that doesn't belong to the artist and is done without the property owner's consent. That's when graffiti, be it artful or crap, stops being art and becomes a crime. Artists have the right to create art but they don't have the right to force their art on the world or damage other's property to create it. Painting a train car, building, or wall that you don't own and don't have permission to paint is no different that if the bike vid guy had stolen one of our bikes, tied it the ceiling and let it thrash itself to death.
 
Hoofhearted said:
Is this art?
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Sorry, are you kidding or what?

That's quite the exact opposite:
some mildly talented decorative crap, a copy of what's been seen
a thousand times before, completely free of inspiration: "kitsch"

You got a lot of nerve to compare this to Dobler's work!

Kind regards
Sven
 
Well I don't know if it is art but if his intention was to provoke a reaction then it worked.
I felt very disturbed through the whole video. It just seemed wrong.

I guess I need professional help because I've always had an emotional attachment to my bikes. Some more than others.
 
Apparently we all need professional help Weezy. Seems no one on this fourm knows art from shit or vice versa. But it also seems the people on this forum know what they like. As far as emotional attachment to our bikes. Thats more than natural. I've had my Norton for 44 years and I would say there is an emotional attachment there alright.
 
Apparently Hoof, you should've airbrushed that on a toilet and chained it to the rafters. The you would've been "innovative" and wouldn't have to rely on something as trivial as "talent" ;)
 
i've got an old beat up pair of adidas that i was gonna throw away, but a friend of mine suggested that i put them on ebay for $100... after this thread, i'm considering it...i've been wearing these shoes for about 10 years... i've cut & welded a LOT of stuff in them over the years on four wheel drives, trailers, bicycles, etc... so, for ebay, i was thinking of wording it a bit different... "these shoes have been worn day in-day out by metal sculptor Kimo Alanike"... and then just go on to tell them how great i am & that these shoes are blessed with great artistic vision, or something ridiculous like that, blah-blah-blah... by the way, "kimo alanike" is hawaiian for jamie alan, my first & middle names... if a urinal can be called a fountain, maybe i'll call them "tires"... i might be on to something here... i'll let you know if i decide to do it.
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Get a little more creative... name them Talaria. That's what the Greeks called Hermes' winged sandels. And Hermes was a patron God of Tricksters ;)
 
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