Cafe racers at the "Ace" and thoughts on hipsters

Style ? I have one . I also have a witness (Still have the same old kit , still look the same)
Taste ? I'm told it's all in my mouth .
Direction ? There are times when fighting the current just to fight it is way too much work. More so there are times when convention be damned and I strike out on my own .

There is a reason I don't subscribe to many build threads but read most . I don't usually condone , compliment , or condemn . Those few times I have I hope the reasons were obvious .

Instead I offer my experience . Please don't mistake it for wisdom . I've just done more stupid shit . I came here to offer my experience because of the present generation and the ones after .

I have my own taste , direction and purpose . I doubt it is much like anyone else's . for that I am thankful .
Thankful because the rest of you and coming generations will have their own direction . What I think of your and their direction means less to you and them than it does to me . That is as it should be

it's not a cafe , chopper , tracker , brat or classic . It's a motorcycle . It's yours .

~kop
 
This should aptly sum it up, from the best writing in motorcycle culture, found in the last pages of DiCE.

Dear Dr. Glory,

I’ve been a fan of motorcycle culture for n few years. I started out with a small Honda Cafe Racer but currently ride a kiler old school Pan bobber. I’ve noticed lately that a lot of the clothing companies are using skateboarding and surfing mixed with bikes for their advertising. I grew up in the mid west, so I’ve never surfed and I was never really much of a skater. In fact, I never really thought that there was a connection. I guess my question is why is skateboarding and surfing suddenly part of the underground motorcycle scene? Primer Pete -Willianisport, WI


Dear Pete,

I’ve been writing this column for many years now. On a weekly basis, I get hundreds of questions that are equality as stupid as this. Motorcycle culture is not “underground” and it never has been. A motorcycle is an expensive penis enlarger that doesn’t work. Skateboarding and surfing are back in the game because a lot of bike riders nowadays used to ride skateboards in the 70”s and 80”s. And are going through some sort of mid life crisis right now and are back at it. Same with surfing... They’re both equally childish activities, and just as lame as motorcycles. Remember that there is no scene, there is no cool and there is no underground. It’s just a ridiculous cycle of poseurs ripping off each others lame attempts at coolness. Fuck that. Forget this clever hipster bulishit, go fuck shit up. Stick it to the man AND .......... Fight the Power! - Dr. Glory
 
Unless I missed the irony Mr Glory needs to have a word with his editor

Quote from the front page of Dice website

"DicE is hands down the coolest underground motorcycle magazines out there"

Is there or isn't there an "Underground" does "Cool" exist?
 
what I see too often in the young calf racer mentality is the 'look at me! LOOK ! at MEEEeeeee !!!" while I bust this move in front of you,you poor innocent dumb bastard,that'll teach you from coming downtown and walking the SIDEWALK....skatr persona

you know they wait and make sure you a lookin' as they pulverize an anklebone, made worse jiz-ill-ion times by youtube

......father-less, fetal alcohol, attention starved, A.D.D scrip-meth poppin' skaters
anyway it is some of those same generation healed up and figgerd that they would build an attention getter
hence all the craigslist ruined bikes with the seller telling you how much attention it gets ,how bad-ass the re-bar fabbed hardtail is etc... u nome sayin'
you know its all about the latest IMAGE created, only matters it looks sic and draws attention
LOOOOK AT MEEEEEEE!!
hey but at least they are cutting shit up and a few are showing basic skills,just think if they had ag mechanics and welding/machine shop in hi-school like us old country boys did
don't git me started on flatbillers
 
I sell haircuts to hipsters, and I'm quite popular at it. I do this so successfully because I am, myself, a hipster. But what I've found sells to the hipster, is that we all believe we are the exception. Every guy at that flat track race wore Redwings because its the hipster uniform, but I wear them because I appreciate tradition and American craftsmanship. But if we interviewed each of those guys, I guarantee each one would say "Every guy at this flat track race wears Redwings because its the hipster uniform, but I wear them because I appreciate tradition and American craftsmanship..." Just like the guy who wrote that article thinks his words free him from the binds of hipsterism, and everyone who reads and agrees with him feels freed from it. I think the bottom line is that if there are two identical jackets in the world, then both the owners are joined in an exclusive club of sorts, and so even if you build your own clothes, and are 100% unique, you are only a part of another group (the "build your own clothes, 100% unique" crew).

I think the whole "hipster" argument fires people up for a lot of reasons, but the underlying theme is that we all crave being recognized as individuals. The more underground your scene, the more of an individual you appear to be. I blame the movies, since Marlon Brando taught us that he anti hero is a fun role, then punk rock reminded us of that, and then by the 90's we had Disney telling us that Jack Skellington, the creepy dark guy, is cooler than that prince and princes who are loved by all. Now we all think we are supposed to be the cool, outcast, anti hero, drifter who makes his own rules... But we can't all be Kurt cobain, so it ruffles feathers. Especially because this anti hero can't admit to WANTING to be the anti hero.

It's all marketing and branding, and it doesn't make anyone better or worse than anyone else. It's just funny.

(Written while wearing my skinny selvedge jeans and redwing iron rangers)
 
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notlob said:
Unless I missed the irony Mr Glory needs to have a word with his editor

Quote from the front page of Dice website

"DicE is hands down the coolest underground motorcycle magazines out there"

Is there or isn't there an "Underground" does "Cool" exist?
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Oh yeah, forgot that irony is like the Hipster vogue...
 
cinqmars2 said:
Oh yeah, forgot that irony is like the Hipster vogue...
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I wouldn't know about hipster vogue. Maybe you could enlighten me.

So no comment on what you posted from Mr Glory as your contribution to the thread and the contradiction on the front page of their website.
 
Junior Burrell said:
Do what makes ya happy and to hell with anyone that doesn't like it!!!
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This is what everyone says,
then they get angry when I run down main street naked!
Fucking hypocrites
 
skinny jeans !!! now i know what a hipster is,i think ...but but those arent dudes are they ? :-\ i thought it was just flat chested,skinny girls ??? i seen 'em downtown a few times, clutchin' a coffee and prancing around in funny hats

nah, thats not dudes,yer jokin right?!
 
kopcicle said:
Style ? I have one . I also have a witness (Still have the same old kit , still look the same)
Taste ? I'm told it's all in my mouth .
Direction ? There are times when fighting the current just to fight it is way too much work. More so there are times when convention be damned and I strike out on my own .

There is a reason I don't subscribe to many build threads but read most . I don't usually condone , compliment , or condemn . Those few times I have I hope the reasons were obvious .

Instead I offer my experience . Please don't mistake it for wisdom . I've just done more stupid shit . I came here to offer my experience because of the present generation and the ones after .

I have my own taste , direction and purpose . I doubt it is much like anyone else's . for that I am thankful .
Thankful because the rest of you and coming generations will have their own direction . What I think of your and their direction means less to you and them than it does to me . That is as it should be

it's not a cafe , chopper , tracker , brat or classic . It's a motorcycle . It's yours .

~kop
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well said.
 
notlob said:
I wouldn't know about hipster vogue. Maybe you could enlighten me.

So no comment on what you posted from Mr Glory as your contribution to the thread and the contradiction on the front page of their website.
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"A motorcycle is an expensive penis enlarger that doesn’t work." is the part that sums it up nicely. I appreciate the sleuth work on your behalf to condemn DicE as a hipster product, but really, don't take it too seriously man, it's supposed to be fun, remember? ;D
 
cinqmars2 said:
"A motorcycle is an expensive penis enlarger that doesn’t work." is the part that sums it up nicely. I appreciate the sleuth work on your behalf to condemn DicE as a hipster product, but really, don't take it too seriously man, it's supposed to be fun, remember? ;D
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I agree with you there it doesn't work.
I only went to the dice site to see what else was on there as you remined me it had been a while since I last visited it and that jumped out at me on the front page. I dont wish to condemn hipsters the reason behind posting the original blog was to highlight that said condemnation and its unreasoned in justification.
If I was that age again more than likely I would be one, being the fashion whore I once was.
 
NY Dolls

It doesn't matter what you label music. In your mind the Ramones were the first punk band, but they were absolutely influenced by the bands that came before them like the Stooges and NY Dolls. The Stooges are out because they were in the wrong place. That's fine. The Dolls came right from that place where the Ramones came from. The Dolls were formed first and successful sooner. In my opinion the NY Dolls were the first of the NYC alternative rock acts that would come to be called punk. In reality those bands were contemporaries. FIRST is relative because it doesn't really mean who made the first type of music that would be known as punk, it means who was recognized sooner by record companies, the music press and the music listening public.
 
carnivorous chicken said:
They're not "vinyls", they're records. Records are made of vinyl and can be collectively referred to as "vinyl" but a record is not a vinyl. Sorry, but that fucking drives me crazy.

Yes, the Sonics are amazing. I'm from Seattle (they're from Tacoma), and I saw them (and no, not in the 60s). But no, that ain't punk. Proto punk? OK. The name punk to describe the music wasn't around yet. And the Sonics don't call themselves punk.
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Great a cork-sniffin "punk." That's some real irony right there. I don't think punks get butthurt about what someone else calls a vinyl record on the internet. This is what I get for clicking on this thread. :-[
 
Blake said:
Great a cork-sniffin "punk." That's some real irony right there. I don't think punks get butthurt about what someone else calls a vinyl record on the internet. This is what I get for clicking on this thread. :-[
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Shit, I guess I don't really care, definitely not "butthurt" (you kids and your crazy lingo!), thought I was helping someone so they don't get laughed at by people who know what they're talking about. But then again, if you only hang out with people under 25, then all your friends might call them "vinyls" too. Except the ones who know what they're talking about. Now turn that cute sad face emoticon upside down!
 
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