Honda CB-1 Concept

Rick4004

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"What's happened? Tell me everything."

"Alrighty, then ... picture this if you will."

I've had this idea in my head for quite a few years now. In the mid 2000's Honda introduced a CB4 Interceptor concept.
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I thought that a CB-1 would make a good starting point. A big plus to a CB-1 where I live is the insurance is about as cheap as you can get, less than $500 a year with my discount. As soon as you go over 500cc, or the bike gets labelled as a "sport bike", the insurance nearly doubles.

I started computer modelling before I even bought a bike and I quickly found out at least one reason this bike never made it into production. With the fairing and tank modeled as close as possible to the concept bike, there was virtually no turning angle before the lead clip on hit the fairing, and/or the trailing clip on hit the tank. I did a lot of refining before I was able to get decent clearance at both the front and the back. My old wrists cannot stand low clip-ons anymore either, so I moved the bars to above the triple clamp height.
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This gave me a basic outline to start working from, and the hunt was on for a donor bike.

I would have loved to pic up a nice low mileage bike to start from, but CB-1's are extremely rare here in my part of Canada, and the used prices are pretty high all across Canada. A nice used one with mileage between 30k - 40K kilometers are usually in the $4000 - $5000 range.

I managed to find a really high miler (88,000km) for a decent price.

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Many would have been turned off by the mileage but it ran well, and my thinking was that any bike that has reached that kind of mileage and was still running well must have had regular oil changes and probably spent most of it's life on the highway.

I stripped the bike completely down to the frame, pulled the engine, and got to work. On all my previous bike builds I have CAD modelled absolutely everything before I start building anything. This is a effective technique that prevents a lot of build errors and wasted effort, but it take a lot of time, and I wanted to try to get this bike done as quick as I could. There was no way I had the time to measure and reverse engineer the engine and frame to get it into my CAD program, so I started looking around for some free scanning software to try to scan everything. After much frustration with no progress I came across a post of my local fakebook 3D printer group for a guy here in the city that does 3d scanning. I got a hold of him and sent him some pictures of the bike and told him what I wanted done, and his rates were pretty reasonable, so I booked a time to get things scanned. The bike I bought came with an extra frame so I dropped that off at his house for scanning. He then came over to my house to scan the engine.


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This all took most of the summer. In the mean time I was selling parts on ebay to raise funds and slowly buying little bits here and there. I was able to put the spending in overdrive in the early fall when I sold the CB400F endurance racer https://www.dotheton.com/index.php?threads/honda-rs1000-cb400f-mini-replica.76284/
 
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I had decided that I wanted to use a CBR400RR NC29 swingarm, CBR600F2/F3 wheels, and a GSXR750 front end that I had on hand. With cash in my pocket from the endurance racer sale I started collecting parts. I bought a CBR600F3 with a hole in the crankcases for just to get the wheels.
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NC29 Swingarm from Japan bought thru Webike.
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Cheap chinese Garrett GT1241 clone turbo. I had good success with a IHI RHB31 clone on my old SOHC CB400F. The GT1241 looks like it is good for about 20% more HP than the RHB31. I am looking at around 85HP at 8psi.

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Nissin radial calipers, GSXR-750 rotors CBR600F3 wheel.
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The GSXR rotors needed adaptor plates machined to match up to the CBR wheel.
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New disk, CBR600F3 rim and brake carrier, NC29 swingarm
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After a lot of screwing around with the CBR600F3 cush drive, I happened across a VF500 Interceptor cush drive in a box of parts and it uses the same drive lugs and rubbers as the F3. A bit of machining to line up the sprockets and we had a winner! New 520 chain and front sprocket, and a leftover rear sprocket from my old turbo 400 build and that was one headache taken care of.

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I had a spare Microsquirt sitting on the shelf, but I wanted to run staged injectors on this bike. I have a set of throttle bodies off of a CB400F Super Four that comes with tiny little 140cc injectors. Should be good for idle and up to about 50hp, so I am going to run a set of CBR600RR shower injectors that will come on when the boost starts. The microsquirt couldn't handle this so I had to shell out for a MS3 PRO Mini ECU. Budget blown. This set up with the wiring harness and a couple of sensors was well over $1200 CDN with shipping and taxes.

As this was all going on I came across another CB-1 for cheap. This one was only a few hundred dollars, but it was about 3000km away. I found a decent price on shipping so I went ahead a bought it, mainly for the engine. It has about 60K km, still a lot, but less than the engine that I currently have. It's rough, but a buddy wants the wheels/fork/brakes for one of his projects so it will not cost me much in the end, and having spare parts for an older bike is always a good thing.
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Nice project. Just an FYI, if you need easy rear gearing, the Suzuki GS500F rear sprockets are 520 and the same bolt pattern as the VF500F rear cush drive. Certainly useful to check gearing and such before spending on the much nicer rear sprocket you are running.
 
EX119X - Thanks for the gearing tip. When I was building my SOHC400 I ordered 2 custom aluminum rear sprockets. I wasn't sure how long an aluminum rear sprocket would last so I ordered an extra. I've ran that original sprocket for over 30k KM and it is still in good shape, so the extra going on this build isn't costing me anything in my mind :D
 
Mounting the CBR400RR swingarm turned out to be a real nightmare, mostly of my own doing. For starters the swingarm was too wide at the pivot tube to fit into the frame, and the CB-1 only uses a 15 or 17mm pivot bolt, whereas the NC29 uses a 20mm bolt. I realized that the easy solution was to use the smaller pivot bolt and make up some inserts for the swingarm bearings, but I really wanted to use the 20mm bolt. That meant I needed to bore out the pivot holes.
I set the frame up on the mill but the setup wasn't solid enough and rather than cutting the boring bar was just flexing away from the cutter. I switched over to drilling out the holes and they drilled really easy, but not on center. The holes were visibly off center. SH*T!!!
I needed to get the hole back on center. If I couldn't get it set up in the mill the only other option is to try and line bore it. I made up some spherical spacers that mounted in the swingarm pivot cups on the frame and pieced together a line boring set up that used a 1" annular cutter.
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After the holes were opened up and enlarged I made up inserts to bring the inside diameter back to 20mm. After much faffing around the swingarm was mounted.

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That's looking good. I had the same problem but I cut the pivot points out & machined new ones up to suit the new swingarm. There's some pictures of it on my posts.
 
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