Honda CL350 Stator and REG/REC

the stator of the honda twin has 3 wires coming out of the thing. each wire is attached to a coil that is attached to each other. (not the frame). these 3 wires are 120 degrees out of phase with each other. a magnet passes over the 3 coils and current is generated.

each stator is a phase!

3 stator wires is triple phase exactly the same as it is in the inline 4 that has 3 stator wires too.

2 phase is found on many scoots the, g6y is a honda, single phase is found on dirtbikes with only a lighting stator.

studied engineering one summer long ago.
 
bracketmaker said:
the stator of the honda twin has 3 wires coming out of the thing. each wire is attached to a coil that is attached to each other. (not the frame). these 3 wires are 120 degrees out of phase with each other. a magnet passes over the 3 coils and current is generated.

each stator is a phase!

3 stator wires is triple phase exactly the same as it is in the inline 4 that has 3 stator wires too.

2 phase is found on many scoots the, g6y is a honda, single phase is found on dirtbikes with only a lighting stator.

studied engineering one summer long ago.
I promise you, Honda twins are single phase. Also, there is only one stator. Most dirt bikes are AC. And it's a gy6, engine. A gy6 is not a Honda engine. Show me a Honda that came stock with a gy6. They are also single phase.
 
come on guy, I studied this in '87. the number of stator wires determines how many phases you have.

I'm not going to argue nonsense but I will explain where the op went wrong and where they went wrong on the twins site where the idea came from.

the onan regulator is 2 phase. the op only used 2 out of 3 stator wires and was doomed to fail. you need to rectify the third phase for the onan to work.
 
bracketmaker said:
come on guy, I studied this in '87. the number of stator wires determines how many phases you have.

I'm not going to argue nonsense but I will explain where the op went wrong and where they went wrong on the twins site where the idea came from.

the onan regulator is 2 phase. the op only used 2 out of 3 stator wires and was doomed to fail. you need to rectify the third phase for the onan to work.
How many yellow wires are on an aftermarket reg/rec for a Honda CB360? How many for a Honda CB750? The amount of YELLOW wires tells you how many phases the reg/rec is for.

Here is a reg/rec marketed for a single phase Honda twin such as a CB360:
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Here is one marketed for a 3 phase inline four, such as a CB750:
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Each yellow wire is for each phase.
 
irk, first I was a biker. later got my doctors degree.

how do you not know how many wires a cb360 has coming out of the stator? you own 2 of them. 3 wires = 3 phase.

each stator coil is a phase. each phase needs to be rectified. the number of wires coming out of a rec/reg does not mean shit. the onan is a prime example. there is no black ground wire. it wont work if it's not bolted to the frame.

the pics you put are of 2 different types 3 phase rec/reg

the first pic is an ac shunt with positive in common with the rectifier. if it is what you say it is then green and pink have to be rectifier wires too.

I think its bullshit though. pink usually is AC to the headlight. looks like a scoot part or its a stock photo. I would not use this part on a honda twin. I would use the shunt with 3 white or yellow wires.

the bottom pic is a alternator, type the extra wires control the field coil.

what does this have to do with anything? there are 3 wires coming out of a honda twin stator. tell us how they get wired?
 
bracketmaker said:
irk, first I was a biker. later got my doctors degree.

how do you not know how many wires a cb360 has coming out of the stator? you own 2 of them. 3 wires = 3 phase.

each stator coil is a phase. each phase needs to be rectified. the number of wires coming out of a rec/reg does not mean shit. the onan is a prime example. there is no black ground wire. it wont work if it's not bolted to the frame.

the pics you put are of 2 different types 3 phase rec/reg

the first pic is an ac shunt with positive in common with the rectifier. if it is what you say it is then green and pink have to be rectifier wires too.

I think its bullshit though. pink usually is AC to the headlight. looks like a scoot part or its a stock photo. I would not use this part on a honda twin. I would use the shunt with 3 white or yellow wires.

the bottom pic is a alternator, type the extra wires control the field coil.

what does this have to do with anything? there are 3 wires coming out of a honda twin stator. tell us how they get wired?
Okay, okay. I get it. You are trolling.
 
no you don't get it. I'm not a troll. what's wrong with this 3 phase part? it's the one I would use. and it still has nothing to do with the original post where the dude only hooked up 2 of 3 stator wires.

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bracketmaker said:
irk, first I was a biker. later got my doctors degree.

how do you not know how many wires a cb360 has coming out of the stator? you own 2 of them. 3 wires = 3 phase.

each stator coil is a phase. each phase needs to be rectified. the number of wires coming out of a rec/reg does not mean shit. the onan is a prime example. there is no black ground wire. it wont work if it's not bolted to the frame.

the pics you put are of 2 different types 3 phase rec/reg

the first pic is an ac shunt with positive in common with the rectifier. if it is what you say it is then green and pink have to be rectifier wires too.

I think its bullshit though. pink usually is AC to the headlight. looks like a scoot part or its a stock photo. I would not use this part on a honda twin. I would use the shunt with 3 white or yellow wires.

the bottom pic is a alternator, type the extra wires control the field coil.

what does this have to do with anything? there are 3 wires coming out of a honda twin stator. tell us how they get wired?
Let's try this again. I have attached two pics. One is of a single phase alternator. One is of a 3 phase alternator. Take a wild guess what each wiring diagram the pics are from. You have to be trolling, but we can't have a bunch of false information spread on the forum either. Someone might actually believe you're smart and that you know what you're talking about.
 

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now that's a good pic. a 3 phase generator running a 3 phase motor. how is the honda twin generator any different with 3 wires coming out of it. what difference does it make if you have a magnet or a field coil?

I do know what I'm talking about because I studied electrical engineering at ny institute of technology summer '87
 
bracketmaker said:
there are 3 wires coming out of a honda twin stator. tell us how they get wired?

Wire colors:

Yellow - AC from alternator
Pink - AC from alternator
Green - Ground
Red - DC positive to battery
Black - 12v voltage sensing for ignition
 
bracketmaker said:
3 phases 3 colors red yellow and white. this is the stator from a honda twin. its from my bikes parts engine.

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Dude. Those are not 3 phases.
 
irk miller said:
Wire colors:

Yellow - AC from alternator
Pink - AC from alternator
Green - Ground
Red - DC positive to battery
Black - 12v voltage sensing for ignition

this is how screwed up you are. black is + on the dohc 750 rec/reg not on the honda twin.




irk miller said:
Dude. Those are not 3 phases.

tell me what they are then. tell me how its wired different than the generator pic you posted. tell me how ignition is wired to a rec/reg.

you are telling me that ac does not come out of each wire.

the only way to rectify is to use a 3 phase bridge rectifier or a 3 phase rec/reg.
 
bracketmaker said:
tell me what they are then. tell me how its wired different than the generator pic you posted. tell me how ignition is wired to a rec/reg.

you are telling me that ac does not come out of each wire.

the only way to rectify is to use a 3 phase bridge rectifier or a 3 phase rec/reg.

this is how screwed up you are. black is + on the dohc 750 rec/reg not on the honda twin.

bracketmaker said:
tell me what they are then. tell me how its wired different than the generator pic you posted. tell me how ignition is wired to a rec/reg.
I still think you are a troll. You have to be. But, here goes. First of, what you are seeing as red is actually pink.

Yellow - AC from alternator (this wire is split, with one leg going to the handlebar control switch and one going to the regulator and rectifier
Pink - AC from alternator (this wire goes directly to the rectifier)
White- Sensing wire (this wire hooks to black wire on the reg/rec I posted)
 
irk miller said:
I still think you are a troll. You have to be. But, here goes. First of, what you are seeing as red is actually pink.

Yellow - AC from alternator (this wire is split, with one leg going to the handlebar control switch and one going to the regulator and rectifier
Pink - AC from alternator (this wire goes directly to the rectifier)
White- Sensing wire (this wire hooks to black wire on the reg/rec I posted)

there is no point to argue. I went to grad school and I know different. there are lots of members here. some know what I'm saying.

this quote is from electrical 101 on this site

Rectifier - Most everything on your bike is designed to only use DC voltages and so the rectifier exists to convert the AC voltage from the alternator into DC. The standard design is a bridge rectifier. A bridge rectifier is a series of diodes arranged into a loop with an AC wire located in between each diode. The properties of diodes are such that current can only pass through them in one direction. So if you wire diodes into a big circle and connect AC wires in between each diode, you can guarantee that at any reading point in the loop, you're only getting current coming one way. It's very common to see rectifiers paired in the same physical unit as the next item on the list.


since the honda twin stator has 3 wires then you need a 3 phase bridge rectifier.

when Sonreir says I'm a troll I'll leave.
 
Even the upgrade kit from Ricks is SINGLE phase.

https://cognitomoto.com/products/ricks-hot-shot-charging-system-for-cb350-cb360-cl350-cl360

Every available replacement is single phase:

https://www.common-motor.com/honda-cb-cl-rectifier-regulator
 
https://www.britishbikebits.com/alternator-stator-genuine-lucas-rm19-6v-triumph-bsa-norton-royal-enfield

Hmmmm. Better tell Lucas they've mislabeled this three-phase job, then.


BUT WAIT! HOLY SHIT! A FIVE-PHASE STATOR!!! Why are you chumps still talking about mere three-phase anyhow?

https://thebonnevilleshop.com/genuine-lucas-brand-e-t-energy-transfer-5-wire-alternator-stator-triumph-bsa-pn-47188-47149-rm15-rm19/


(Or it could be that the number of wires coming out doesn't dictate the entirety of the design of the stator...just sayin'. Royal Enfield Bullets with AC lighting and DC ignition run a three-wire, single phase alternator...)
 
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