Running comstar without speedo or retainer ring?

chickenStripCharlie

Coast to Coast
Hi. Posted this in 1800 help but didnt get much help. Gonna try the wheels forum :)

Hi guys. I'm doing a GSXR swap and using an '82 Comstar 19" wheel.
On this wheel there is a bearing retainer ring on one side (R), and (i assume) the speedometer gear assembly acts as a retainer on the other side (L).

Upon closer inspection, i realized that the bearing seating surface on the L side is incredibly shallow! There is barely 1mm of "lip" there for the bearing to seat into. As you can see, the other side has quite a bit more.

My Qs:

1. Is this shallow bearing seat position going to cause problems? Of course, there will be spacers on both sides, as well as a spacer inside the hub, but these will only keep everything tight at the inner bearing ring. I'm concerned about adequate support for the OUTER bearing ring.
2. As the new bearings are 9mm wide (compared to stock 13mm) the bearing retainer ring won't be touching the bearing anyways. Do i still need the ring? I can machine a washer to fill up the 4mm difference, but not sure if this is necessary. (see next q)
3. Why do the rear wheel bearings not have this? They sit in the cups and are only supported by the axle and spacers, which all act on the INNER ring.

Thank You!

P.S. This was discussed in this thread, on the exact same question, but after page 8 it sort of fizzled out and i don't have a concrete answer yet. I mean, it works fine on rear wheel applications, to just hold everything in place with the axle and spacers on the inner ring, so want to make sure i can still be OK with this on the front end.

It begs the question of why the bearing retainer was even used on the OEM application? Does the speedo side not have a spacer so needs to rely on the right side to keep everyhing in place?

https://www.dotheton.com/index.php?threads/comstars-gsx-r-front-end.73476/page-8


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In simple terms, as long as the spacers are in place, the wheel is unable to move sideways. Holding one outer bearing in place with a snap ring should be sufficient. They are not needed on both sides IMHO.
 
In simple terms, as long as the spacers are in place, the wheel is unable to move sideways. Holding one outer bearing in place with a snap ring should be sufficient. They are not needed on both sides IMHO.

That's what I was thinking too. But I keep wondering why the rear wheel is not like this?

If the front is held firmly with spacers on the inner ring, wouldnt the wheel only move sideways if the bearings were a loose-fit in the hub?
 
Correct. The fork legs and spacers hold the wheel in place. In theory, neither bearing would need to be retained at the outer race as long as tboth sides butt up against a raised portion in the hub. If the outer races were able to move laterally, that would be a problem.

Maybe there's more side thrust on a rear hub. It could also be that they want the rear to positioned against the other side and just want to be on the safe side.
 
Correct. The fork legs and spacers hold the wheel in place. In theory, neither bearing would need to be retained at the outer race as long as tboth sides butt up against a raised portion in the hub. If the outer races were able to move laterally, that would be a problem.

Maybe there's more side thrust on a rear hub. It could also be that they want the rear to positioned against the other side and just want to be on the safe side.

So considering that one side of the hub is raised only 1mm , would I be safer to build a 4mm thick spacer to make up the gap and use the retainer ring, in addition to having proper spacers securing the inner ring?

Or would I be ok sans ring? I cant tell how others have been doing it on the comstar hub

Thanks!
 
The 1mm stops that side bearing from moving inwards. What's on the other side of the hub? 1mm should be enough as long as you don't forget the spacer between the bearings that's inside the hub.
 
The 1mm stops that side bearing from moving inwards. What's on the other side of the hub? 1mm should be enough as long as you don't forget the spacer between the bearings that's inside the hub.

The other side is a solid 3mm lip on the hub to hold the bearing. Quite a bit more substantial.

I was just not 100% confident on the 1mm doing its job.

Thanks for confirming! I appreciate your time!
 
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