70 Cl350 Piston hitting Valve after rebuild
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crazypj
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I think that was already covered when I posted pic, said it was just the angle he took picture at. More likely the sprocket isn't properly fitted into chain, you have toi lift the links over teeth to get crank in correct position and cam sprocket mark lined up
When you re-fitted valves, you didn't accidentally fit an intake into exhaust side? (trust me, I've seen it done more than once when I was teaching at MMI)
When you re-fitted valves, you didn't accidentally fit an intake into exhaust side? (trust me, I've seen it done more than once when I was teaching at MMI)
DohcBikes
Fuck You.
What were you teaching them then? There were some really poor instructors there as well. Whats that class called again, the one where we had to rebuild a little honda motor and have it run? I got a 100% overall grade in that class. Zero mistakes in six weeks. Wish I could say the same for some of the instructors.crazypj said:
crazypj
Split personality, I fake being smart
DohcBikes said:
I know and most of the 'bad' (easily controlled, know little to nothing) instructors are still there, some 'promoted' to education manager status
Pretty pissed when I guy I taught 6 yrs previously came back as an 'instructor' then got into manager position 5 months later. He wasn't a good tech but knew how to kiss ass real well
The guy running MTP/Electives didn't have anything like the required experience to be an instructor, they took the two and a half years as student in Phoenix as part of his 7 yrs minimum for Florida tech schools then 'fast tracked' him into 'Motorcycle Education Director' position
I was under a gag order after being laid off, no idea how long something like that lasts?
(had termination agreement re-written multiple times, don't tell anyone else who was laid off in 2011 or they will all want it)
I taught Clinic 1, Clinic 3 (machine shop) and Clinic 5 before transferring to FAST (Factory Authorised Suzuki Training)
Also filled in in any of the other clinics except 6 and advanced electrical (they always had people who would do multiple shifts)
Even taught Marine cl 3 (machining is machining
)The little Honda 125 twins were clinic 5, CG125 single cylinder in clinic 1
When I taught 5 they were still using CB400A.
Clinic 1 used ATV motors.
It was possible to fail any class until 2006, after than it became a case of 'push them through and get their money'
:-X :
I really hated it and had major issues with various 'education' managers so transferred to Suzuki which was deemed the 'hardest' class in Orlando. (BS, it was just the most realistic)
It's also main part of reason I got laid off, managers who know how to manage but have no clue about running motorcycle workshops or safety (Harley Davidson and Yamaha instructors used to tell students who had been through Suzuki to 'forget everything they learned.)
I saw Honda instructor sign off on a CR250 pissing water from faulty re-build -but- hey, it runs
Personally, I'm a motorcycle specialist, more than 40,000 hrs of training, work and research.
If I was better at math I would have gone for mechanical engineering degree ;D
DohcBikes
Fuck You.
Everything you said here is true and brings back memories.crazypj said:I know and most of the 'bad' (easily controlled, know little to nothing) instructors are still there, some 'promoted' to education manager status
Pretty pissed when I guy I taught 6 yrs previously came back as an 'instructor' then got into manager position 5 months later. He wasn't a good tech but knew how to kiss ass real well
The guy running MTP/Electives didn't have anything like the required experience to be an instructor, they took the two and a half years as student in Phoenix as part of his 7 yrs minimum for Florida tech schools then 'fast tracked' him into 'Motorcycle Education Director' position
I was under a gag order after being laid off, no idea how long something like that lasts?
(had termination agreement re-written multiple times, don't tell anyone else who was laid off in 2011 or they will all want it)
I taught Clinic 1, Clinic 3 (machine shop) and Clinic 5 before transferring to FAST (Factory Authorised Suzuki Training)
Also filled in in any of the other clinics except 6 and advanced electrical (they always had people who would do multiple shifts)
Even taught Marine cl 3 (machining is machining
The little Honda 125 twins were clinic 5, CG125 single cylinder in clinic 1
When I taught 5 they were still using CB400A.
Clinic 1 used ATV motors.
It was possible to fail any class until 2006, after than it became a case of 'push them through and get their money'
I really hated it and had major issues with various 'education' managers so transferred to Suzuki which was deemed the 'hardest' class in Orlando. (BS, it was just the most realistic)
It's also main part of reason I got laid off, managers who know how to manage but have no clue about running motorcycle workshops or safety (Harley Davidson and Yamaha instructors used to tell students who had been through Suzuki to 'forget everything they learned.)
I saw Honda instructor sign off on a CR250 pissing water from faulty re-build -but- hey, it runs
Personally, I'm a motorcycle specialist, more than 40,000 hrs of training, work and research.
If I was better at math I would have gone for mechanical engineering degree ;D
I can assure you that John Grubb did not simply wave me through engine class, lol, ask him. I highly doubt he forgot who Damon Gifford is yet ;D. The engine we rebuilt was a crf230. My crank was a little messed up from previous idiots so I demanded a new one. He laughed because it was not a cheap part. I persisted and rebuilt my crank too, the only one in class. I made a log book and had specific instructions to myself in there and in my packet. It was so important to me to get a 100% in that class, because I told grubb I would do it, that one day I forgot my log and notated packet, so I simply sat there for six hours and waited til the next day to do anything.
I took every minute of lab time to complete it, because I am slow, and because I wanted to go last so everyone was watching. I like attention if you haven't noticed. Most in the class had no idea how to build a motor let alone tune one, so they were getting them to run after 4-5 or ten kicks and running was running, as long as it didnt leak or blow up you were good. When Grubb walked over to my bike he just turned around and smiled at the rest of the class when he kicked it once and it fired right up. His eyes got that intense look that he gets and he just stared at me for what seemed like an eternity while pegging the rev limiter on a fresh rebuild. When he let off the throttle it idled out perfect, and he says "that's what i'm talking about, right there."
4.0GPA, 100% attendance, 4 SOC out of 8 core clinics, two classes 100% overall, never had a single overall clinic grade less than 96%, directors list for theory and through 7B, and completed advanced electrical. Noone in my class of over 150 came close. I am only saying this because I know some got pushed through, but not me, sir
But yes, many instructors waved many untalented and unintelligent people by. The manufacturer clinics were a joke. There was absolutely no need for me to attend because it turned into nothing more than dealership training which will never apply to me. Whoever the Kaw instructor was Rick something or another, was a complete and utter d-bag. I gained as many certs as I could in a week which was like 35 or 40, realized that none of this applies to me, and walked out.
Mr. Z was my machine shop instructor. We went rounds, big time. In the end, one of my favorites and undoubtedly the instructor I learned the most from.
The "push them through and get their money" mentality is going to be a disaster in the long run, because now the job market is flooded with "techs" that don't know how to hold a wrench, which is tarnishing MMI's reputation as the top motorcycle mechanic school. There are however some very, very talented kids and instructors there. The opportunity to teach and to learn is still there.
crazypj
Split personality, I fake being smart
DohcBikes said:Everything you said here is true and brings back memories.
I can assure you that John Grubb did not simply wave me through engine class, lol, ask him. I highly doubt he forgot who Damon Gifford is yet ;D . The engine we rebuilt was a crf230. My crank was a little messed up from previous idiots so I demanded a new one. He laughed because it was not a cheap part. I persisted and rebuilt my crank too, the only one in class. I made a log book and had specific instructions to myself in there and in my packet. It was so important to me to get a 100% in that class, because I told grubb I would do it, that one day I forgot my log and notated packet, so I simply sat there for six hours and waited til the next day to do anything.
I took every minute of lab time to complete it, because I am slow, and because I wanted to go last so everyone was watching. I like attention if you haven't noticed. Most in the class had no idea how to build a motor let alone tune one, so they were getting them to run after 4-5 or ten kicks and running was running, as long as it didnt leak or blow up you were good. When Grubb walked over to my bike he just turned around and smiled at the rest of the class when he kicked it once and it fired right up. His eyes got that intense look that he gets and he just stared at me for what seemed like an eternity while pegging the rev limiter on a fresh rebuild. When he let off the throttle it idled out perfect, and he says "that's what i'm talking about, right there."
4.0GPA, 100% attendance, 4 SOC out of 8 core clinics, two classes 100% overall, never had a single overall clinic grade less than 96%, directors list for theory and through 7B, and completed advanced electrical. Noone in my class of over 150 came close. I am only saying this because I know some got pushed through, but not me, sir
But yes, many instructors waved many untalented and unintelligent people by. The manufacturer clinics were a joke. There was absolutely no need for me to attend because it turned into nothing more than dealership training which will never apply to me. Whoever the Kaw instructor was Rick something or another, was a complete and utter d-bag. I gained as many certs as I could in a week which was like 35 or 40, realized that none of this applies to me, and walked out.
Mr. Z was my machine shop instructor. We went rounds, big time. In the end, one of my favorites and undoubtedly the instructor I learned the most from.
The "push them through and get their money" mentality is going to be a disaster in the long run, because now the job market is flooded with "techs" that don't know how to hold a wrench, which is tarnishing MMI's reputation as the top motorcycle mechanic school. There are however some very, very talented kids and instructors there. The opportunity to teach and to learn is still there.
Sorry for the 'threadjack', but sometime 'we have to mess up original post with 'information'
There are 'entry level qualified' techs who don't know how to wheel a bike around without dropping it. 2006/7 were the worst years, kids were coming in directly from high school.
Were you in Phoenix or Orlando? I don't recognise any of the names you mentioned. (plus I haven't been anywhere near the place since 2011)
DohcBikes
Fuck You.
I went to phoenix in 2012. I actually already had a repair shop, just wanted to know more. I was already 32 and had done my share of wrenching.
The actual number of instructors was kind of surprising. Ziolkowski would have almost had to be in phoenix when you were.
Other instructors:
Colin Kreft- Theory. He was cool. He had recently returned after leaving because of the things you mentioned.
Adam Landa.- Precision measuring- He didnt like me. I put my clutches in my own way and shirked his amateur advice. After rebuilding a harley trans too fast he said "no way it will shift". Wrong. It really burned him to have to announce me as the SOC. He was new.
Mike Osborn- Ozzie. Bless his heart hes a great guy but whoa was it hard to get used to his lectures. He was also in Kawi.
Randy Hathaway.- Electrical. Almost got into a fist fight with him, then he had to give me SOC, haha. He ended up being a cool guy but doesnt know jack shit about bikes.
Don S....? Cant remember his whole last name but he was an ex state patrol that taught maintenace. Clueless. 100% in his class.
Steve Trivissonno.- Performance/Dyno. Certified bad ass. Learned a ton from him. He let us do stuff we werent supposed to do. Nuff said. I got a "low" grade of 97 in there because I was burned out by that time and just had fun in the dyno all day.
Jason Montgomery.- Worthless in every way. Ended up at my house partying with my youngest roommate, smoked my weed and drank my beer while i slept. The Education Director was a complete fuckhead and disregarded the behavior. I let jason live because i had worked too hard to get kicked out of school. I will see him someday.
Bob Gilliard. Advanced electrical. Awesome guy, very smart and patient. Willing to learn from students.
Caleb Andrews- Cool guy. Helped me get a question in the MTP final rewritten because the key gave the wrong answer for years.
Most of my guys were newish. Most likely that you know i suppose would probably be Colin Kreft.
Yes sorry for the threadjack
The actual number of instructors was kind of surprising. Ziolkowski would have almost had to be in phoenix when you were.
Other instructors:
Colin Kreft- Theory. He was cool. He had recently returned after leaving because of the things you mentioned.
Adam Landa.- Precision measuring- He didnt like me. I put my clutches in my own way and shirked his amateur advice. After rebuilding a harley trans too fast he said "no way it will shift". Wrong. It really burned him to have to announce me as the SOC. He was new.
Mike Osborn- Ozzie. Bless his heart hes a great guy but whoa was it hard to get used to his lectures. He was also in Kawi.
Randy Hathaway.- Electrical. Almost got into a fist fight with him, then he had to give me SOC, haha. He ended up being a cool guy but doesnt know jack shit about bikes.
Don S....? Cant remember his whole last name but he was an ex state patrol that taught maintenace. Clueless. 100% in his class.
Steve Trivissonno.- Performance/Dyno. Certified bad ass. Learned a ton from him. He let us do stuff we werent supposed to do. Nuff said. I got a "low" grade of 97 in there because I was burned out by that time and just had fun in the dyno all day.
Jason Montgomery.- Worthless in every way. Ended up at my house partying with my youngest roommate, smoked my weed and drank my beer while i slept. The Education Director was a complete fuckhead and disregarded the behavior. I let jason live because i had worked too hard to get kicked out of school. I will see him someday.
Bob Gilliard. Advanced electrical. Awesome guy, very smart and patient. Willing to learn from students.
Caleb Andrews- Cool guy. Helped me get a question in the MTP final rewritten because the key gave the wrong answer for years.
Most of my guys were newish. Most likely that you know i suppose would probably be Colin Kreft.
Yes sorry for the threadjack
crazypj
Split personality, I fake being smart
I taught in Orlando from Feb 2000 until end of June 2011.
Only went to Phoenix once in 2001 ( they wanted to 'ship me back to Florida' within 3 hrs of getting off the plane)
They kinda knew knew though, the 'loud' Welsh troublemaker
When I taught Cl-3 I made people measure to +/- 0.0002", tighter tolerance than Cl-7 final. (+/- 0.0004")
They allowed things to get so bad (in 2011) people only need to measure to withing +/-0.004~5" ( personally I think it's because the instructors can't measure to close tolerance, particularly with 'T' gauge or small hole/ball gauge)
People in my classes could bore to within 0.001" and hone to within 0.0002", usually second practice bore (probably better than 98% of students)
Bolt up Harley cranks were set to run true, even with mis-matched parts. I think the way bearing clearances are measured in workbook is now 'my' lesson?
Awful lot of instructors didn't understand how or why there were 4 clearances in a roller bearing until they saw my diagrams
I moved on because my standards were too high, always in trouble for 'not following lesson plan' and giving students too much information (if they asked) Of course, it meant some classes got a much better education, 30 yrs experience running workshops and working on/fixing any old crap will always beat a couple of years smashing stuff apart in a junkyard to get time in to come back to MMI as an 'instructor' (I knew more than one who had no other 'experience')
I think what 'they' really meant was only one or two other instructors from the 127 total could teach to the same level, either didn't know or didn't care
Anyway, I think we should get back to original problem (LOL)
Only went to Phoenix once in 2001 ( they wanted to 'ship me back to Florida' within 3 hrs of getting off the plane)
They kinda knew knew though, the 'loud' Welsh troublemaker
When I taught Cl-3 I made people measure to +/- 0.0002", tighter tolerance than Cl-7 final. (+/- 0.0004")
They allowed things to get so bad (in 2011) people only need to measure to withing +/-0.004~5" ( personally I think it's because the instructors can't measure to close tolerance, particularly with 'T' gauge or small hole/ball gauge)
People in my classes could bore to within 0.001" and hone to within 0.0002", usually second practice bore (probably better than 98% of students)
Bolt up Harley cranks were set to run true, even with mis-matched parts. I think the way bearing clearances are measured in workbook is now 'my' lesson?
Awful lot of instructors didn't understand how or why there were 4 clearances in a roller bearing until they saw my diagrams
I moved on because my standards were too high, always in trouble for 'not following lesson plan' and giving students too much information (if they asked) Of course, it meant some classes got a much better education, 30 yrs experience running workshops and working on/fixing any old crap will always beat a couple of years smashing stuff apart in a junkyard to get time in to come back to MMI as an 'instructor' (I knew more than one who had no other 'experience')
I think what 'they' really meant was only one or two other instructors from the 127 total could teach to the same level, either didn't know or didn't care
Anyway, I think we should get back to original problem (LOL)