Can't get her started..

I did get the pulser generator cover off. The timing light isn't firing fast enough for me to see the markings. It's only firing like once every 2 seconds. Does the bike have to be running? The manual says so, idling around 1000rpm.


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jacksondee said:
I did get the pulser generator cover off. The timing light isn't firing fast enough for me to see the markings. It's only firing like once every 2 seconds. Does the bike have to be running? The manual says so, idling around 1000rpm.


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If the pulsing is intermittent then either the pickup needs to be more secure on the plug wire or you're only getting an intermittent spark.
 
it took a bit of elbow grease to get the head cover off. the guy before me had overcoated it in some kind of sticky black/grey substance. i'm guessing because he didn't want to buy a new gasket..

anyways, even upon first inspection, some of the measurements of the valve lash are certainly off. (did i word that sentence properly?)

time to get my spreadsheet out and the micrometer and start measuring. gosh i hope i can tell the difference when she finally fires up and lets me take her for a ride. she was running 'perfectly' right before i put her away for the winter..
 
a 30lb reading low compression is not caused by a typical valve lash issue, that is a loose valve clearance or a slightly tight one
it could be caused by a stuck/bent valve or a horribly tight valve but you gotta have a helluva leak...... good luck i hope it is not serious....
if you do have a very large clearance on that low cylinder then it is stuck or bent
 
xb33bsa said:
a 30lb reading low compression is not caused by a typical valve lash issue, that is a loose valve clearance or a slightly tight one
it could be caused by a stuck/bent valve or a horribly tight valve but you gotta have a helluva leak...... good luck i hope it is not serious....
if you do have a very large clearance on that low cylinder then it is stuck or bent
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Well sh*t.. I'll get to that after the valves, I've got the head cover off right now so may as well do one thing at a time.

My buckets are on angles.. When setting the cam lobe to TDC, is that 90 degrees from the ground, or 90 deg from the angle the bucket is on?
 
it is the piston at tdc on the compression stroke that is the position that clearances for both valves can be checked(intake exhaust)
 
I can make that a smarter question.

The manual says "rotate crankshaft clockwise and align the index mark on the exhaust camshaft right end with the front cylinder head mating surface"

then measure valve clearance of EX1 and EX3.

I get all that. But it seems my exhaust camshaft has two index marks on it. Which one?

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you don't even need any marks just measure the clearance when the lobe is opposite the shim bucket and it doesn't need to be exactly opposite anywhere on the heel/base circle of the cam
that is what is nice and easy about this type of motor you can really see what you are doing

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right, so you measure the gap when the lobes of the cams are perpendicular to the bucket and shims? when the center of the heel is against the bucket and shim?
 
anywhere on the heel just have the lobes pointing away from the shim it is called the base "circle" because it is a concentric partial circle hence the clearance is the same anywhere on that heel until the ramps come into play
it is not necceasary to be in an EXACT position
 
xb33bsa said:
anywhere on the heel just have the lobes pointing away from the shim it is called the base "circle" because it is a concentric partial circle hence the clearance is the same anywhere on that heel
it is not necceasary to be in an EXACT position
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ok thank you i was just messing with it and noticed its only about .0005 off anyways between different parts of the heel.
 
Turns out exhaust valve lash on cylinder 2 is .002. Can this be a big part of the awful compression I'm measured in that cylinder?


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jacksondee said:
Turns out exhaust valve lash on cylinder 2 is .002. Can this be a big part of the awful compression I'm measured in that cylinder?


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no
 
Back to square 1. Timing looks great. Valve clearance all done. I actually forgot to check compression which I'll do next.

It just won't start..

It makes sounds like when you try and start it and don't realize you still have the kill switch in the 'OFF' position. It sounds perfect all the way around, it just won't kick.

Tiny tiny little gas leak on one of the float bowl gaskets which I've tried to fix twice already. I just wanted to hear her fire up before I take the carb off for the 3 time today..
 
Compression is 90 on all 4 cylinders.

So this is low but at least I guess its uniform?

Since last time I checked compression, I have done valve clearance. Does the manual say that low compression could be a leaky cylinder head gasket?

The gasket that was one there was absolutely covered in gasket sealer. I mean its everywhere. Ugly and everywhere. Also, when taking the head off, the Tach cable screw is completely stripped. It moves all the way in and out with my fingers. This was also covered in gasket sealer.

Can the tach screw being loose completely eliminate the seal on the cylinder head cover? I'm guessing yes.

Wtf do I do about it being completely stripped?

Take the head cover off again and tread the hole one more size up and get a new screw?

Also the cylinder head screw on Intake 4 is not totally stripped, but when it gets screwed all the way down, it slips and pops, and won't allow me to give that last little bit of tight that I feel like it needs.
 
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