1976 Honda CB360T - The first step is admitting I have a problem build

That's the point, a reasonable profit (I do carbs at a net loss for the time involved)
Pamco is making a profit including his development time at $200.00, the $4~$600, even with development and programability ae just overpriced
I know small quantity production costs more, guess it's just me ;)
Going to get some online electronics courses and build something (after all, I need to find a different line of work as I won't be able to be a bike tech even after I recover :( )
 
PJ, there's some good hobby microcontroller stuff with the Arduino boards (http://www.arduino.cc). If programming isn't your strong suit (I'm much better at soldering stuff together than programming), it's a good place to start, and you can get a setup at Radio Shack.

After you get a handle on the programming environment, you can move to using the really cheap attiny microcontrollers - http://hlt.media.mit.edu/?p=1695.
 
crazypj said:
That's the point, a reasonable profit (I do carbs at a net loss for the time involved)
Pamco is making a profit including his development time at $200.00, the $4~$600, even with development and programability ae just overpriced
I know small quantity production costs more, guess it's just me ;)
Going to get some online electronics courses and build something (after all, I need to find a different line of work as I won't be able to be a bike tech even after I recover :( )

But, being the otherwise good business man he is (let's not talk about communication skills), his prices, compared to other units, is competitive. He is cheaper then charlies place, who uses the mechanical advancer. He is cheaper than Bore-Tech, though with less features on his.

If you cannot build your own, he is the best value out there. I did a lot of research last year, and Pamco is the best bang for the buck...assuming you can actually get one.

Noting his issues, it isn't quite as easy as it may seem.

that guy Viet, who has been using the GM module as a basis, has a pretty good deal too. Except being in Vietnam, means his product may not be as supported as a locally made device.

So come out with a $100 Electronically advanced unit, and you will be the price/value leader.....
 
Worst cb650 ever said:
PJ, there's some good hobby microcontroller stuff with the Arduino boards (http://www.arduino.cc). If programming isn't your strong suit (I'm much better at soldering stuff together than programming), it's a good place to start, and you can get a setup at Radio Shack.

After you get a handle on the programming environment, you can move to using the really cheap attiny microcontrollers - http://hlt.media.mit.edu/?p=1695.


Last time I did BASIC was 1980 ;D
 
crazypj said:
Last time I did BASIC was 1980 ;D

If you did, it was on a Timex/Sinclair....LOL...I started with a TI 99/4a in 1983....

Weren't very many "home" computers in 1980....Mainframe, with Fortran or Cobol, or VM370, but basic was not around until the little home computers came out...
 
Sinclair ZX80 ;D
They used Cobol in school in the 70's, but, it took a week to find out what you did ;)
 
I started on a TRS-80 Model III business machine - BASIC was about all it would do! Man, make one mistake typing in those games in the back of the computer magazines and it was all over!

TRS-80_Model_3_01.jpg


I guess I'm committed to rewinding this stator:

LL1SRuBl.jpg


I'm going to try to wind it three phase and use a three phase R/R I have to up the power available from the 360. We shall see! Man that thing was oily though - nasty ancient oil all in the windings of the original wiring.

In any case, happy 4th of July everyone, and ride safe among all the crazies out there!
 
http://www.molla.org/DIY-CDI/DIY-CDI-Trigger/SC-DIY-TCI-Trigger.htm

Using the above and an MCU you should be able to build a pretty good/cheap programmable electronic ignition. I'm planning to do just that for the W2 cafe I'm planning out.
 
Worst cb650 ever said:
I started on a TRS-80 Model III business machine - BASIC was about all it would do! Man, make one mistake typing in those games in the back of the computer magazines and it was all over!

TRS-80_Model_3_01.jpg

thats the machine I started on. High school 1981 -1985
Funny to think ONE reason they were so popular...They were considered PORTABLE. cause you could actaully carry em down the hallway.
 
Worst cb650 ever said:
I guess I'm committed to rewinding this stator:

LL1SRuBl.jpg


I'm going to try to wind it three phase and use a three phase R/R I have to up the power available from the 360.
Talk about, NO GUTS NO GLORY.
I think you need a new hobby. LOL. This kind of stuff is what I find disturbing. Maybe you could knit can cozies in a darkened padded room.
 
If your re-winding, may as well go for a real 3 phase with higher output ;D
Just figured out I'll have to look at the link I saved on desktop, laptop screen is just too small
 
trek97 said:
Talk about, NO GUTS NO GLORY.
I think you need a new hobby. LOL. This kind of stuff is what I find disturbing. Maybe you could knit can cozies in a darkened padded room.

This is what I do to keep myself out of the padded rooms! Of course, my left hand (which was holding the stator) is cut and scraped to shit now. No guts indeed ;D
 
crazypj said:
If your re-winding, may as well go for a real 3 phase with higher output ;D
Just figured out I'll have to look at the link I saved on desktop, laptop screen is just too small

That is the plan! I've 300' of 18 gauge double enameled (polyester actually) 200C wire on its way from California, and a three phase R/R I bought for $5 at a swap meet. Go 3 phase or go home I guess!

Now I'd set up three pairs of two posts, with the pairs of two posts 180 degrees apart, correct? With one of each "pair" wound clockwise and the other couterclockwise, right? And then I get to pick if I want to wire them in the triangle (delta?) configuration or in the star or "Y" configuration, right?
 
Ok, I did make some progress on the 360 today, as well as some progress on eating a pie and potato salad and so on...

As you may remember from last week's episode of "As the stator turns," the springs on the advancer are shot. I could buy them for $9 each from MikesXS, but those ones we know to be too long and require modification. So, I hopped on the 650 (the only running bike, heh), and went to the hardware store.

I dug through 8 bins of springs, and didn't find a damn thing close to what I needed. On a desperate hunch based on a hondatwins forum post, I went into the lawnmower parts aisle, and found this:

bktRjvhl.jpg


Why did I get this mess of stuff? Why for the one advancer spring included in it:

fk5VFtdl.jpg


Would you look at that? Well, I bought two kits for $7.50 each. I rationalized it by knowing we could use the spark plugs in lawnmowers and such, but still, ouch! Cheaper than an Ebay advancer or MikesXS, however.

I reinstalled the advancer and points plate, and statically and dynamically timed the bike. The bike seems to like to be advanced a few degrees at idle - anyone else notice that their 360 likes a bit of advance from the TF / F mark? I was able to time both cylinders very well, but I know with points they'll be out of whack next week, heh.

In any case, the amusing part of these new springs is that I get almost no advance till 3000 RPMs, when it hits like a phone book! VTEC just kicked in yo, and that's pretty accurate. Made me grin on the test rides around the neighborhood. This is kind of a goofy half assed hack, but maybe the springs will loosen up with time. Also, I need a seat cover that has more grip or I am going to slide my ass off the back of this thing when it pulls these shenanigans!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_09a3uw1ls

It wasn't all milk and honey, however. I noticed that even though the right side was sparking, I had no heat in the exhaust pipe. I pulled the float bowl, and son of a piece of crap, the needle was sticking in its seat. The damn cheap ass seat had jammed up again! I pulled out the seat and reinstalled the original one and went to eat. After dinner I came out to the barn to find the bike sitting in a puddle of gas. The right side carb overflow was peeing, then stopping for a couple of seconds, then peeing, and then stopping, and so on. Turns out the original seat is "deeper" than the aftermarket replacement, meaning the float height had to be readjusted. Sigh.

This was the battle I fought for the rest of the afternoon, with the right cylinder flooding intermittently and causing hard starting followed by a fog of war high octane. I'm going to buy new needles and seats, as well as new float pins and probably new floats, as this is getting stupid. I swear, every time I touch this bike it costs me $15.

Anyway, happy fourth everyone and enjoy celebrating the independence of your nation by blowing up a small part of it!
 
Worst cb650 ever said:
Dude, I have a TRS80 102!!! Best "laptop" ever!!!

tandy102a.jpg

I also have the NEC version.. The 8201 which was in some ways better. I used these plus an Olivetti electric typewriter I made an adapter for as the printer for years, and yes, in some ways, they were a great laptop.
 
Re: Re: 1976 Honda CB360T - The first step is admitting I have a problem build

Worst cb650 ever said:
Ok, I did make some progress on the 360 today, as well as some progress on eating a pie and potato salad and so on...

As you may remember from last week's episode of "As the stator turns," the springs on the advancer are shot. I could buy them for $9 each from MikesXS, but those ones we know to be too long and require modification. So, I hopped on the 650 (the only running bike, heh), and went to the hardware store.

I dug through 8 bins of springs, and didn't find a damn thing close to what I needed. On a desperate hunch based on a hondatwins forum post, I went into the lawnmower parts aisle, and found this:

bktRjvhl.jpg


Why did I get this mess of stuff? Why for the one advancer spring included in it:

fk5VFtdl.jpg


Would you look at that? Well, I bought two kits for $7.50 each. I rationalized it by knowing we could use the spark plugs in lawnmowers and such, but still, ouch! Cheaper than an Ebay advancer or MikesXS, however.

I reinstalled the advancer and points plate, and statically and dynamically timed the bike. The bike seems to like to be advanced a few degrees at idle - anyone else notice that their 360 likes a bit of advance from the TF / F mark? I was able to time both cylinders very well, but I know with points they'll be out of whack next week, heh.

In any case, the amusing part of these new springs is that I get almost no advance till 3000 RPMs, when it hits like a phone book! VTEC just kicked in yo, and that's pretty accurate. Made me grin on the test rides around the neighborhood. This is kind of a goofy half assed hack, but maybe the springs will loosen up with time. Also, I need a seat cover that has more grip or I am going to slide my ass off the back of this thing when it pulls these shenanigans!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_09a3uw1ls

It wasn't all milk and honey, however. I noticed that even though the right side was sparking, I had no heat in the exhaust pipe. I pulled the float bowl, and son of a piece of crap, the needle was sticking in its seat. The damn cheap ass seat had jammed up again! I pulled out the seat and reinstalled the original one and went to eat. After dinner I came out to the barn to find the bike sitting in a puddle of gas. The right side carb overflow was peeing, then stopping for a couple of seconds, then peeing, and then stopping, and so on. Turns out the original seat is "deeper" than the aftermarket replacement, meaning the float height had to be readjusted. Sigh.

This was the battle I fought for the rest of the afternoon, with the right cylinder flooding intermittently and causing hard starting followed by a fog of war high octane. I'm going to buy new needles and seats, as well as new float pins and probably new floats, as this is getting stupid. I swear, every time I touch this bike it costs me $15.

Anyway, happy fourth everyone and enjoy celebrating the independence of your nation by blowing up a small part of it!

If you can get a Mcmaster part number from Briggs and Stratton for that spring you would make a lot of people very, very happy.
 
Delta wound is better for low rpm engines, you want 'Y' wound for a 360 (I'm not an electrical engineer so can't explain why though)
 
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