1982 CB750F valve check, questions

You can't have slotted sprockets as the cam flange bolts thread into the sprockets....not the camshaft flange. Slotting the camshaft flanges suck on those engines as there isn't much material. It isn't one of Honda's better designs having the intake cam driven by the exhaust cam.
I have set lash on 750's and 900's at .006 intake and .008 ex which improves compression and makes the engine rev better. OEM spec is .003/.004 if I remember correctly
 
Isn't it great that someone can tell you what work has been done to your motor over the internet? ::)


Your exhaust valves are tighter than your intake. As a general rule that's bad. Exhaust valves get hotter than intake and need a greater clearance. Right now they are arguably at the point where they need adjustment. The next size up shim is .05 mm larger (or .002 in). Which brings them up to .006 which is good.


Someone may have put different cams in there. Or someone may have just been really bad at doing the shims. The yellow paint on the ends is normally done at the factory to indicate the cams are "done" on the production line, but they may have been re-ground too.


Get the valves clearances back to spec. You said you have a bunch of shims so really it's just routine maintenance. At least that way you know where you are.


Or just leave them out of spec because you don't know if they were meant to be that way....
 
Yep, fuck it. Shim em up dude. I wanna see the results now.

Yep, tighten those intakes up and lose compression. That'll be good for a power loss throughout the rpm band.

Dont forget to loosen the exhausts that are already over factory spec, that way they are unnecessarily noisy with no gain in power.

Dont take the advice of people that work on engines regularly. Take hillsys advice, because he's better at rolling his eyes.

You should probably change to synthetic oil too. It's more expensive so it's better for your engine. That's what I read on the internet anyway.
 
Hi armourbl,
I've got one of these and I use it as my daily ride. I bought it in bits after it was submerged in floods. It was cheap but needed lots of work and therefore the perfect bike to learn on. I'm no fool with a spanner but every bike has its quirks and these bikes are quirky! There is no way I could not have done it without the help of a few things.

Go to here www.cb750c.com and sign up.
Read this page first. http://www.cb750c.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=80601#80601 Its the new members page and you need to know it because they will bust your balls if your signature is not right or pics are too large etc.

Next and most important go here and get the workshop manual: http://www.cb750c.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewforum&f=5 Mark sure you get all of it and all the addendum's. The addendum's have lots of info re your 1982 model.

This will educate you on the carbs: http://www.cb750c.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=9513 & http://www.cb750c.com/publicdocs/SeanG/Honda_Carb_Manual_revG.pdf

After that read as many "sticky's" as you can. They are the bits of info that members have posted that are so well explained and valuable they are made a "sticky" by moderators.

Here is the specific valve info from the new members info page that will answer your question:
"Valves

Proper valve clearance is probably the most important maintenance issue to keep these motors running next to frequent oil changes and cam chain tension adjustments. Valve clearances need to be checked every 4000 miles or so. Most mechanics and long term owners of these bikes agree that the ideal valve clearance for these DOHC motors is .005" or .13 mm, regardless of what the book says. So, somewhere between .004" to .006" or .10 mm to .15 mm is acceptable. The book says .002" to .005" or .06 mm to .13 mm and those low numbers are just too tight and can lead to burnt valves.

The 25 mm diameter shims these motors use are commonly made from 2.3 mm to 3.5 mm in steps of .05 mm. On real Honda OEM shims, the decimal is left out, so what Honda calls a 280 shim is actually 2.8 mm thick. The in-between sizes with sizes that end in 2s and 8s like 272 and 278 were never sold over the parts counter and were only ever available in new Honda motors from the factory.

NEVER turn over the motor without shims in ALL the buckets! The cam lobe will bend up the bucket and the valve will stick open, and possibly hit the opposing valve and then you can have bent valves. Lobe damage can also occur."

And to answer some of your questions:
Those grooves on the end of your cams are not there as marks for adjustment. You will see in the WSM there are other markings. There is one groove/cut out that is used to identify where the cams need to be to check the valve shim gap, but you can read all about that in the WSM (chapter 3)
There is only one way to put these cams in. there is no adjustment. its either right or wrong and if it is even just one tooth out the bike will run like s$!t and may even bend valves. There is very little clearance when at TDC.

My experience pulling apart 5 different cb750/cb900 DOHC motors is the yellow markings are factory markings.

I have all my valve clearances at the .12mm to .15mm (you can do the math) Even if it is a bit noisier the risk of burning a valve is reduced. The valves only cool when they are in contact with the seat, therefore the lager the gap, the longer the contact and greater the transfer of heat from the valves. After doing this there was no noticeable difference in noise but the bike ran WAY WAY BETTER. And this is why: Compression increased!

My final piece/s of advice for you to become a better friend/mechanic to your bike BEFORE you work on it, is read the manual, then check if there is sticky. If there is a problem or you are concerned about something try to diagnose it or at least identify with some certainty what needs to be done. Then you are ready to take to it with a spanner. Thinking the cams (or any major component) is installed incorrectly on a bike that "runs good" is an over enthusiastic lack of knowledge, but hopefully that enthusiasm will drive you to get things done the right way with the above info in hand.

For a bike that is running well you shouldn't need much other than chapter 3 (Inspection & Adjustment) of the WSM.

Good luck. I am happy to help if I can, just ask.
 
BrosMSU said:
Even if it is a bit noisier the risk of burning a valve is reduced. The valves only cool when they are in contact with the seat, therefore the lager the gap, the longer the contact and greater the transfer of heat from the valves. After doing this there was no noticeable difference in noise but the bike ran WAY WAY BETTER. And this is why: Compression increased!
Best advice I know for four cycle engines.
 
Ya that advice will work in some engines and melt the cams on others. Great advice. Some quality cut and paste most of it is.

He's right in this case but don't use it as a General rule.

If you can't build a lawnmower engine you shouldn't be messing with the cams on a DOHC inline 4 that runs good already.

Best thing he said was that the guy was ignorant for not knowing his cam timing was right because this is an engine that will barely run if at all out of time.

Even ol Hillary oops I mean hillsy failed to mention that when suggesting to the o.p. that his timing might be off a tooth.
 
DohcBikes said:
Dont take the advice of people that work on engines regularly. Take hillsys advice, because he's better at rolling his eyes.


Butthurt much?


I've spent quite a few years working in a machine shop re-building drag bike motors and in particular re-building valve trains so your advice of leaving out of spec valves alone is just plain rubbish.
 
You are turning the engine in the correct direction of rotation?
Did you adjust cam chains with top cover off? (both adjusters)
Why are the plugs still in? (it's much easier to turn over when they are out)
n I would put the valve timing right. retarded exhaust cam is losing power (yes, you have to remove the intake first)
Yes, you almost certainly need a new 'long' cam chain, may as well do the 'short (cam to cam) chain as well
Probably need the long tensioner and guide down front of cylinder, they are a know weak spot (hey, it's a Honda - they haven't made a decent cam chain tensioner since 1965 S90 ;D )
 
He broke it. Just like I said he would.

But now the engine is painted, so it should be good to go.


Hopefully my attitude towards this tragedy is motivation enough to get it right.

It was running fine before he mesed with it. He thinks the cam timing was off. Anyone with experience saw the cb900 cams right away. I highly doubt, considering his attitude and displayed knowledge, that we can trust his original clearance readings anyway.

He's about as arrogant as I am so I'm not holding my breath on a fix, and won't accept it until I see a video of it hitting 110mph easily.
 
DohcBikes said:
He broke it. Just like I said he would.

But now the engine is painted, so it should be good to go.


Hopefully my attitude towards this tragedy is motivation enough to get it right.

It was running fine before he mesed with it. He thinks the cam timing was off. Anyone with experience saw the cb900 cams right away. I highly doubt, considering his attitude and displayed knowledge, that we can trust his original clearance readings anyway.

He's about as arrogant as I am so I'm not holding my breath on a fix, and won't accept it until I see a video of it hitting 110mph easily.


I see you're back to being a cock.
 
DohcBikes said:
He broke it. Just like I said he would.

But now the engine is painted, so it should be good to go.


Hopefully my attitude towards this tragedy is motivation enough to get it right.

It was running fine before he mesed with it. He thinks the cam timing was off. Anyone with experience saw the cb900 cams right away. I highly doubt, considering his attitude and displayed knowledge, that we can trust his original clearance readings anyway.

He's about as arrogant as I am so I'm not holding my breath on a fix, and won't accept it until I see a video of it hitting 110mph easily.

I think you should take another approach, if you don't like what people are doing go away. You don't need to post belligerent BS on every thread that you personally don't agree with. No one cares nor appreciates your input at this point, you are truly just making Do the ton annoying to read for the rest of us.
 
The only way to make good is to put yer head down and make it run like your ass after bad oysters :eek:
 
Moi?

Oh D, I was encouraging the dude to march... not a peep was uttered toward ye... no lines even to read between.

:eek:
 
Tune-A-Fish said:
Moi?

Oh D, I was encouraging the dude to march... not a peep was uttered toward ye... no lines even to read between.

:eek:
Nope I was referring to the people that addressed me directly. As they would never do in person.

Your comment was straight forward and in all honesty my thoughts exactly.
 
DohcBikes said:
Anyone with experience saw the cb900 cams right away.

I specialised in the damn things in the mid~ late 80's.
Personally, I don't like them very much and neither did the local Honda dealer
I did make money repairing them though
An over-bored 750 is a better motor than the long stroke 900
 
Well, I lost track of this thread, and was posting in my other thread where I've been documenting my progress.

For those in this one, everything turned out just fine, despite all of the drama and doubt, go figure... Bike is back together and running great, stronger if my seat of the pants and ear dyno are accurate.

Here is the other thread if you want to catch up. http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=68328.60

ben
 
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