Absolutly horrible...
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kneedragger74
Been Around the Block
I am starting to lose hope for mankind. 
There are just too many horrible people in this world. :'( :'( :'( I'm moving to Mars... no wait, Venus cause thats where chics are from.
There are just too many horrible people in this world. :'( :'( :'( I'm moving to Mars... no wait, Venus cause thats where chics are from.I'm just amazed that this happened in Norway...they've got amazing health care, some of the highest standards of living, very bright and peaceful communities and it seems surreal that such a monster could breed there, and worse yet, form his hatred into an attack on kids.
Normally I think people like this should get whatever is coming to them, but in this case at least they'll have the opportunity to pick his brains and hopefully use that to stop whoever is next.
Normally I think people like this should get whatever is coming to them, but in this case at least they'll have the opportunity to pick his brains and hopefully use that to stop whoever is next.
VonYinzer
Over 10,000 Posts
Honestly, one of the things that disgusted me the most (outside of the actual acts of course) was the international medias OVERWHELMING willingness to point the finger at people of the Muslim faith right away, even though Norways own goverment contunually said that there was no reason to belive it was definitly an Islamic extremist. And in the end (as its being reported) when the terrorist turns out to be a right wing conservative Christian, from Norway, the media does nothing to say "we were wrong" or to point out the massive numbers of other Christian fundamentalist groups out there that pose a threat to society. Guess pointing the finger at an ethnic looking man still sells more papers. Bad guys could NEVER look or sound like us, thats just crazy.
dean owens
Pittsboro, NC
funny, i didn't read "Christian" in that article.
[edit] i didn't find it in the article but from what i understand it did say it on his facebook page. and if it's on facebook... sorry for not keeping up with the news like i should have. i take the weekends off. last i heard it was 25. that was bad enough... 80?!?! can't imagine what the parents are going through. [end edit]
also, keep in mind that an islamic extremist was recently told to leave norway and he said that there would be retaliation. given that, and the amount of terrorist attacks that come from a twisted segment of that faith recently, it's not a hard jump to go there first off. in a way, it's not much different than me telling my daughters to find a "mommy" if they ever get separated from us. i don't believe all men are bad, but based on track records, they have a safer shot going with a women who has kids. we profile in every part of our lives. and if there's a threat made, it's that much easier to do. it's actually something that keeps us safe throughout life. we make mistakes, but you go with the information you have.
i'll also say, conservative in europe isn't the same as conservative in the u.s. i'll be interested to hear how this really turns out. it'll be interesting to see if his views mattered, or if he was simply crazy. and i hope if he had any help that they find them and punish them as well. i don't care the faith (or lack there of) this was wrong and they need to be punished.
not trying to start anything, just sharing my thoughts.
[edit] i didn't find it in the article but from what i understand it did say it on his facebook page. and if it's on facebook... sorry for not keeping up with the news like i should have. i take the weekends off. last i heard it was 25. that was bad enough... 80?!?! can't imagine what the parents are going through. [end edit]
also, keep in mind that an islamic extremist was recently told to leave norway and he said that there would be retaliation. given that, and the amount of terrorist attacks that come from a twisted segment of that faith recently, it's not a hard jump to go there first off. in a way, it's not much different than me telling my daughters to find a "mommy" if they ever get separated from us. i don't believe all men are bad, but based on track records, they have a safer shot going with a women who has kids. we profile in every part of our lives. and if there's a threat made, it's that much easier to do. it's actually something that keeps us safe throughout life. we make mistakes, but you go with the information you have.
i'll also say, conservative in europe isn't the same as conservative in the u.s. i'll be interested to hear how this really turns out. it'll be interesting to see if his views mattered, or if he was simply crazy. and i hope if he had any help that they find them and punish them as well. i don't care the faith (or lack there of) this was wrong and they need to be punished.
not trying to start anything, just sharing my thoughts.
Bad situation all around. Psychologically,humans have a tendancy to process info as "sets" . More efficient way to handle large amounts of sensory inputs in small amount of time. Unfortunately,"sets" to the extreme become prejudices. We all need to guard against those.Prayers to the folks in Norway-- and to us all.bj
dean owens
Pittsboro, NC
well said.
hocbj23 said:
With "good behaviour" inside, he could get out in 14 - 15 .................
Although if it were one of MY kids who died, I'd be first in line to administer what he should have got - death.
What a pity he gave himself up without a whimper - a well placed shot or ten from the military would have saved everyone a lot of bother and grief.
Although if it were one of MY kids who died, I'd be first in line to administer what he should have got - death.
What a pity he gave himself up without a whimper - a well placed shot or ten from the military would have saved everyone a lot of bother and grief.
benarmour
Active Member
I too found it horrible that the press were so quick to blame a muslim extremist. Even more so when you actually take a moment to think that based on past events, it's actually very rare that muslims go on mass killings sprees. Just over a year ago here in the UK a white, middle aged man (derrick bird) described as "quiet and gentle" by locals, went on a killing spree and shot over 30 people dead. The Virginia Tech massacre was performed by a young guy from South Korea. The Grand Rapids massacre was also caused by someone not of muslim or middle eastern descent. Yet it's become that way now that the media is so quick to pin the blame on muslims for any act of terrorism...
Prayers are with the families of all the victims
Prayers are with the families of all the victims
VonYinzer
Over 10,000 Posts
I was just reading the this monster hsa a 1500 page manuscript discussing his need to stop the spread of what he describes as the spread of Islamic and Middle Eastern beliefs in Europe. The reason that he gave himself up so easily was because it was part of the "Propaganda phase" of his grand plan.
He may be crazy, but that doesnt mean he wasnt completely aware of what he was doing.
I also just read that although the max jail term in Norway is technically 21 years, there is a way for the goverment to extend that. Hopefully they can make that happen and this man never sees the light of day outside of a prison again.
He may be crazy, but that doesnt mean he wasnt completely aware of what he was doing.
I also just read that although the max jail term in Norway is technically 21 years, there is a way for the goverment to extend that. Hopefully they can make that happen and this man never sees the light of day outside of a prison again.
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NortonGuy
Guest
benarmour said:
Not surprising, since most all mainstream media is owned by billionaire's who's special interests lay in controlling land and resources that are controlled and peopled with those of Islam and Muslim faith.
Rupert Murdoch jumped in again with both feet, and so did the Washington post, the number one paper in the USA that backs right-wing agenda and propaganda.
That they come out with such propaganda so quickly shows how desperate they are to brainwash and control the thoughts of the general population and bend you to suit their sick campaigns.....
Here is a good source for news: http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/25/headlines#3
boingk
Standard gearhead.
No damn way... not guilty? Well, plenty of witnesses and even a picture or two of him doing said terrible things. As for insanity, sounds like he's a sosciopath. He's got a hellava lot of criteria - high intelligence, relatively normal functioning (until now) and a flat, emotionless response to the atrocities he has commited. Doesn't mean he shouldn't spend the rest of his life inside though.
To be honest, though, I've got little time for the discussion of incarceration for life. It just shouldn't happen. You should be given a lengthy term so any defence can rule out the slim chance that they've got the wrong person via some miscarriage of justice - relatively common before DNA but not so much anymore - and then marched out behind the proverbial barn and disposed of. Inmates can costs as much as $250,000 a year to house, and that comes out of my pocket and yours. Bugger that for a joke.
As for the guy possibly not getting full time... well... if he doesn't I know at least 92 families are going to be very VERY pissed about that. A whole nation, too, and the world along with them. I reckon he wouldn't last long after release. Hell, before it either. Guys like him have a history of not going down too well with the prison populace, should they be placed in anything less than guarded solitary confinement.
Cheers - boingk
To be honest, though, I've got little time for the discussion of incarceration for life. It just shouldn't happen. You should be given a lengthy term so any defence can rule out the slim chance that they've got the wrong person via some miscarriage of justice - relatively common before DNA but not so much anymore - and then marched out behind the proverbial barn and disposed of. Inmates can costs as much as $250,000 a year to house, and that comes out of my pocket and yours. Bugger that for a joke.
As for the guy possibly not getting full time... well... if he doesn't I know at least 92 families are going to be very VERY pissed about that. A whole nation, too, and the world along with them. I reckon he wouldn't last long after release. Hell, before it either. Guys like him have a history of not going down too well with the prison populace, should they be placed in anything less than guarded solitary confinement.
Cheers - boingk
platkeyboy
Been Around the Block
Every group of people has it's crazies. If this guy had been a big proponent of margarine, he would have slaughtered eighty people in the name of slowing the spread of butter-lovers.
Look at the ideologies and sacred texts behind the people who commit such crimes, and consider whether or not their actions line up with the commands found there, and secondly the commands issued from that ideology's respected leaders. If anyone thinks this man's actions are even remotely supported by anything Jesus said, you've got some reading to do.
Having said all of that, my condolences go out to the families involved, and I hope this thread can turn more in that direction.
Look at the ideologies and sacred texts behind the people who commit such crimes, and consider whether or not their actions line up with the commands found there, and secondly the commands issued from that ideology's respected leaders. If anyone thinks this man's actions are even remotely supported by anything Jesus said, you've got some reading to do.
Having said all of that, my condolences go out to the families involved, and I hope this thread can turn more in that direction.
scm
Been Around the Block
Even after commiting such a monstrous deed, justice here in Europe will still consider him a human being.
Perhaps not easy to accept, but imho essential for any civilized society.
Of course crazy, but apparently not in a way that could diminish his guilt.
There's s.th. similar in many european countries. If someone is still considered dangerous to the public he can be kept
under arrest altough his sentence is over.
Best regards
Sven
Back to the point of the original post, here is a column from Britain's The Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/24/norway-tragedy-extremism-europe
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/24/norway-tragedy-extremism-europe
platkeyboy
Been Around the Block
ABull said:
The point of the original post (correct me if I'm wrong, Von), is that the event was "Absolutely horrible...." I see nothing in that original post as biased as the above article. It's funny that the author never pauses in the course of his article to consider whether or not radical Islam is classified as "right" or "left" in western society. It's obviously against his best interests, because Islamic extremists would be considered "far right," but for the fact that the reputation of Islam is almost unanimously defended by the far left. Ironic, but understandable, given the proclivity of leftists to choose any other belief system over the one they see as the old-school authority in their society.
This post could quickly turn into a runaway political or ideological debate, and if that is what Von intended, sobeit, but I thought it was more about expressing shock and grief over what happened.
