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I'm a teacher, a football coach and a baseball coach. If I teach my students or coach my players to be anything but the best, then I suck at my job.
 
Based upon the success of most people/organizations I see in the field, your best bet is to spend money on marketing and create a "lifestyle" that you can sell.

Forget the hard work and becoming the best. It's a lot easier to create the perception that you're the best. :p
 
Sonreir said:
Based upon the success of most people/organizations I see in the field, your best bet is to spend money on marketing and create a "lifestyle" that you can sell.

Forget the hard work and becoming the best. It's a lot easier to create the perception that you're the best. :p
That's just semantics. You can't do something so functional, like repair or build engines, and just look the part. And I would argue with the notion that it's a lot easier to create the perception that you're the best. It's takes a lot more work to maintain a lie than it does to maintain the truth. The truth takes care of itself.
 
Harley controls 36% of the US motorcycle sales. Honda is a distant second at 16%.

Both well deserved positions or is there more than pure functionality at play?
 
Not sure what the Harley/Honda comment has to do with being a motorcycle mechanic. A shitty mechanic is going to have a hard time making himself look good for very long.
 
I'm just trying to point out that sometimes perceptions are just as important (if not more so) than reality.

Some of the most expensive bikes on the market are regularly surpassed by other machines in terms of quality, reliability, and performance. Success is not based purely on hard work and a good product.
 
I've been in the motorcycle industry for over a decade now. Took an online motorcycle mechanic course for $800. Got a job at a local dealership detailing and worked my way up from there. I took the money I would have spent at MMI and bought my tools. The hours suck and the pay is shitty. My passion for motorcycles has stayed strong. Not the case for some motorcyclists though.

To make it you need to be really good at what you do and do a lot of side work. Lately I've been part timing in construction. Still trying to come up with my million dollar idea...
 
A friend and business partner of mine (call him B.) has more money than sense. Every year he takes maybe two very long trips. Usually headed to Sturgis and some other bike rally in Arizona, Nevada, or Florida. Both he and his friends ride Harley's. Every trip, WITHOUT FAIL, one of these "top-of-the-line" puppies bites it and has to be swapped with another bike that B. brings on his RV/Mobile Shop. That's a new RV towing a 30' shop/bike trailer.

Every year, without fail, I advise B. to maybe consider something that isn't a HARLEH!! He says his first bikes were all Japanese dirtbikes and Bultaco's, and that once he got his first Harley in the 80's, he "never looked back."

B. also drives a 3/4 ton diesel pickup, but has never in the time that I've known him hauled anything in the back but boxes from IKEA from time to time.

It's the image of a WHARLEE Davidson that makes them attractive to, among guys that genuinely have American pride, guys with certain insecurities. They've been sold that a HARLEE is the only real bike, and nothing is going to reverse that socially accepted ideology. Marlon Brando was more man than any of these chumps, and I don't think he would have derived his pride and esteem from what he had between his legs, whether it be a Harley chopper or a Triumph Bonnie.

That's the image of success and the self-perpetuating lie that no other is equal. People will believe anything. Hell, some people think the OP is actually reading this thread!
 
Redliner said:
A friend and business partner of mine (call him B.) has more money than sense. Every year he takes maybe two very long trips. Usually headed to Sturgis and some other bike rally in Arizona, Nevada, or Florida. Both he and his friends ride Harley's. Every trip, WITHOUT FAIL, one of these "top-of-the-line" puppies bites it and has to be swapped with another bike that B. brings on his RV/Mobile Shop. That's a new RV towing a 30' shop/bike trailer.

Every year, without fail, I advise B. to maybe consider something that isn't a HARLEH!! He says his first bikes were all Japanese dirtbikes and Bultaco's, and that once he got his first Harley in the 80's, he "never looked back."

B. also drives a 3/4 ton diesel pickup, but has never in the time that I've known him hauled anything in the back but boxes from IKEA from time to time.

It's the image of a WHARLEE Davidson that makes them attractive to, among guys that genuinely have American pride, guys with certain insecurities. They've been sold that a HARLEE is the only real bike, and nothing is going to reverse that socially accepted ideology. Marlon Brando was more man than any of these chumps, and I don't think he would have derived his pride and esteem from what he had between his legs, whether it be a Harley chopper or a Triumph Bonnie.

That's the image of success and the self-perpetuating lie that no other is equal. People will believe anything. Hell, some people think the OP is actually reading this thread!

You never rode a Harley on a long trip have you? I have rode them and many others... The Honda Goldwing may be more reliable yes, but it won't Give you that Harley experience. I know all the push back, comfort, reliability, price bla bla bla... It's like the difference between pushing the pedal in an accord and blowing the leaves off the curb with the duel pipes from a 70 Mach1

No I don't want no pickle... Potato Potato Potato :eek:
 
You kiddin? I've ridden bikes for friends to and from Austin and Dallas and the Harley's turn my damn stomach. The gearbox ratios alone is enough to make me grit my teeth.

It's just as easy to stick pipes on a VT1100, VTX1800, or XV1600 and make plenty of noise on top of plenty of displacement without tensing up over every bump in the road and hey! you can still see clearly through your mirrors! I know, I know, Harley guys have a hard time wrapping their heads around that concept, but it wouldn't be the first time they were stumped with some common sense.

Just last night I had to bleed the clutch on a 2015 Harley Road King or something else that weighs as much as a Ford Meteor. Not saying that getting low on fluid is strictly a Harley issue, just saying that I know Harley's well enough. Feck, here's my Sporty I'm flipping.
 

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so the o.p. wanted to know if Honda was better than Harley? I missed that =)

Glad this entertainment is cheap.
 
I digress (or un digress) depending on how you look at it haha
both valid points =P
Carry on.
Oh...
I like Hondas... Tim, can we turn this into a poll? =)
 
Tune-A-Fish said:
I always did think starting a thread was useless when so many are available.
Multiple threads are good for Tim's analytics. :eek:
 
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