anyone heard of this K2 herb?

Wow this thread is still going...k2, spice, whatever u may call it is a full antagonist. Marijuana is a partial antagonist to your cannabinoid receptors. Once you understand the difference you will understand why "fake pot" is not good for you. Prolonged usage will create severe chemical imbalances in your brain and possibly screw up these receptors. This would be fine if all they were for was for you to feel high. Problem is the assist in regulation of you cardiovascular system, gastrointestinal tract, and the sensation of pain among other things. The desire to take drugs is a purely human endeavor but what amazes me is the lack of knowledge about these substances that people will take.
 
K2 is systematically being made illegal on a local level, by municipalities. The major concerns are all those of any other drug, with the added health risks. People are reporting breathing problems, heart palpitations, and even a couple of comas that were attributed to K2. Some have said since it is stronger than marijuana, if you smoke it hard like weed you'll screw yourself up. Most online discussions that I have read agree that 2-3 hits will get you as high as needed.

I don't condone or agree with the use of this chemically altered, unregulated, and untested 'incense', but apparently many of the guys I consider my brothers do. I'm just urging caution on a product marked 'not for human consumption'. Like with alcohol or other legal substances, freedom only works with the equal application of respect for others and responsibility for ones own actions. If I ever get the honor of riding up to wherever you call home, I'd prefer it not to be for a funeral. Just be safe fellas.

After all motorcycles have the 'potential' for certain health risks, that are outweighed by the ability to achieve a pleasurable state. Sounds similar, no? When not respected this hobby has landed plenty of 'high chasers' on the public (TAXPAYERS) dime through disability. Just remember it was the wrongful action of either the rider, or a motorists taking a potentially hazardous situation lightly. Just food for thought guys.
 
Basement rat said:
Can you back this up?
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I should of said the desire to alter consciousness. No I can not back this up by factual data but there is a very well written book by Andrew Weil called The Natural Mind An Investigation of Drugs and the Higher Consciousnessiousness
 that extensively explores this concept. The following is a exert from his writing... "Human beings are born with a drive to experiment with ways of changing consciousness...The desire to alter consciousness periodically is an innate, normal drive analogous to hunger or the sexual drive...
The root of the drug problem is the failure of our culture to provide for a basic human need. Once we recognize the importance and value of other states of consciousness, we can begin to teach people, particularly the young, how to satisfy their needs without drugs. The chief advantage of drugs is that they are quick and effective, producing desired results without requiring effort. Their chief disadvantage is that they fail us over time; used regularly and frequently, they do not maintain the experiences sought and, instead, limit our options and freedom...
Altered states of consciousness...appear to be the ways to more effective and fuller use of the nervous system, to development of creative and intellectual faculties, and to attainment of certain kinds of thought that have been deemed exalted by all who have experienced them...(They) may even be a key factor in the present evolution of the human nervous system...To try to thwart (their) expression in individuals and society might be psychologically crippling for people and evolutionarily suicidal for the species."
 
There are an incalculable number of was to enhance, alter, heighten, and focus ones consciousness without any substances. Look into visual stimulants, meditation, self hypnosis, isochronic rhythms, binaural beats, and a world of other methods. Many ancient religions viewed these drug induced states as seeing God. In truth you are tapping into creative areas of the brain, and the sensation is diluted by side effects the intoxicants impose on the brain. Drugs are a crutch used by humanity to achieve the transcendence we inherently crave.

Psychologically speaking we have a desire to refine and augment both our self and our reality to transcend our current circumstances, a philosophical 'grass is greener' conundrum that is hard wired into our psyche. The problems basic to all human existence drive this desire. We want to overcome the bounds of our reality, escape death, reach past our limitations, create, and achieve self actualization.

Theologically it is an attempt to reach a god, or presence that has achieved those goals for himself. More often than not this deity is a teacher that guides us through this life to achieve the same goals.

Even physics struggles to crack 'God's Equation' and develop a 'unified theory of everything' to glimpse behind the curtain and understand the whole of the universe.

This philosophical concept is well discussed, and I fully believe in the human drive to alter consciousness. I do not however believe that getting blunted and watching The Wizard of Oz synced with The Dark Side of the Moon is a direct expression of this drive.
 
Further more, if you compare drug use to fulfilling an inescapable drive you have to look into how that analogy holds up.

Eating to gain sustenance is an analogous drive. Society certainly does not encourage the healthiest means to do this. So do we as individuals then, by inference, not have a responsibility and an obligation to ourselves to gauge our own needs. Are we not expected to analyze options and pursue a healthy course of action.

Using drugs that do greater harm than good to transcend is a direct comparison to an all Big Mac diet to maintain sustenance. Not such a convincing argument really.
 
The Yaqui Indians of the desert SW and Northern Mexico believed the way to knowledge was to look at "Reality" thru an altered state or states of comsciousness.They used peyote to assist in the process.Documented in a series of 5 books by Carlos Casteneda back in the early 70s.their rituals were developed long before the white man set foot on the NA continent.Interesting reading,but they didnt trust just anybody to participate in the rituals--mostly their shamans and tribal leaders.Too powerful for the uninitated.They valued wisdom and experience.Once a person had "learned" the process,they didnt need the drug to slip in and out of "reality" by altering their conscious state.By the way,the crow (one of the most intelligent of all birds) was the symbol for their shaman.They also believed in telekinesis,teletransportation, and organisms ability to "alter their shape"--the AIDS virus is referred to in current medical literature as a "shape changer".Amazing-what?Sorry for the "lecture".bj
 
Rocan said:
K2 is incense more or less. it gets you high as hell, sure, but so do things like pcp.

ill stick to my illegal marijuana please. its always good, and tastes the way it should.

k2 is fine in a pinch i suppose.

anyone try salvia? similar story to k2... interesting high; can take you to different planets entirely, but the highs are short (around 10 minutes is the longest ive experienced) and its hard to peak as highly the second time you smoke as you do the first.
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Let's assume that you are telling the truth, rather than making a noise. In that case, you just told the whole world including any law enforcement agencies and or potential employers in the future that you are a complete idiot. if you were making that up for effect, then you are simply a dumb kid. Get my drift?
 
teazer said:
Let's assume that you are telling the truth, rather than making a noise. In that case, you just told the whole world including any law enforcement agencies and or potential employers in the future that you are a complete idiot. if you were making that up for effect, then you are simply a dumb kid. Get my drift?
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How exactly did i tell the world I'm a complete idiot? For your information, good sir, there is nothing wrong with talking about cannabis, unless if the conversation is about the actual transaction of cannabis. I gave my own opinion, which, last I checked, I am entirely entitled to in the country that I reside in. teazer, you can go on with your rant and your hateful comments towards me calling me an idiot, a dumb kid- whatever. I never once claimed to know it all. Also, the majority of my posts state that I am saying what MY understanding of something is, not that MY understanding is the truth.

Also, I would be damn curious what YOU knew about the topics we discuss on this board (whether it be motorcycle or life related) when you were my age. Maybe your recent rants is you expressing your indignation towards me? whatever it is, I honestly could care less. I will continue to post what I know, and if I am wrong, I have no issue to state that I was wrong.



Also teazer... I find it interesting how you took the time to reply to my post, when there are MULTIPLE posts in this thread stating that the people making the posts have tried certain drugs. ::)
 
Yours happened to catch my attention. What I did or did not do when I was your age is not really relevant to anything now is it? That was different country at a different time. I really don't mean to be on your case, but you probably catch my attention because you post so often and have some apparently strong feelings about some things, that maybe you might change with time.

If you want to claim publicly that you use drugs, that is entirely your prerogative and I'm not so sure you are really aware of some of the potential consequences. My last post gave you a way to say, Nah, I was just kidding, and slide out, but no you chose to make a statement that you use illegal drugs.

I like your enthusiasm and have posted a few times to let you know that in subtle ways. I'd like to see you messing around with bikes long after I'm gone, but hey, it's your life.

BTW, at your age I had my first bike, I had rebuilt a couple of motors and had seriously ported an old Villiers "powered" POS with noisy expansion chamber etc etc, but different times. When I left school and worked for Rolls Royce, I laid out the design of a 4 cylinder 16 valve 500cc bike and that was about 1970. Back then I had no idea, let alone the resources, to turn that into metal, but it was a fun mental exercise.
 
So, I know this is a weird thread for my first post, but I saw the title and had to throw in my input.

I would just caution those who read this thread and decide to try K2 to not go overboard. I progressively did more and more at once, and one time I guess it was just too much. Unlike marijuana, you CAN OD on K2. Needless to say, it wasn't fun. This was a while ago so no permanent damage or anything, but it definitely wasn't a good idea.

Just wanted to share some of my experience. By the way this is a great forum and I've really enjoyed reading through all of you guys' build threads. Hopefully I'll scrape some money together and be able to start my own sometime soon :)
 
teazer said:
Yours happened to catch my attention. What I did or did not do when I was your age is not really relevant to anything now is it? That was different country at a different time. I really don't mean to be on your case, but you probably catch my attention because you post so often and have some apparently strong feelings about some things, that maybe you might change with time.

If you want to claim publicly that you use drugs, that is entirely your prerogative and I'm not so sure you are really aware of some of the potential consequences. My last post gave you a way to say, Nah, I was just kidding, and slide out, but no you chose to make a statement that you use illegal drugs.

I like your enthusiasm and have posted a few times to let you know that in subtle ways. I'd like to see you messing around with bikes long after I'm gone, but hey, it's your life.

BTW, at your age I had my first bike, I had rebuilt a couple of motors and had seriously ported an old Villiers "powered" POS with noisy expansion chamber etc etc, but different times. When I left school and worked for Rolls Royce, I laid out the design of a 4 cylinder 16 valve 500cc bike and that was about 1970. Back then I had no idea, let alone the resources, to turn that into metal, but it was a fun mental exercise.
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fair enough.
 
tjb2of3 said:
So, I know this is a weird thread for my first post, but I saw the title and had to throw in my input.

I would just caution those who read this thread and decide to try K2 to not go overboard. I progressively did more and more at once, and one time I guess it was just too much. Unlike marijuana, you CAN OD on K2. Needless to say, it wasn't fun. This was a while ago so no permanent damage or anything, but it definitely wasn't a good idea.

Just wanted to share some of my experience. By the way this is a great forum and I've really enjoyed reading through all of you guys' build threads. Hopefully I'll scrape some money together and be able to start my own sometime soon :)
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just curious, how did it feel to go overboard on K2? too much weed is bad with fuzzysuits, getting hot, forgetting and bugging out, but i'm curious about how K2 differs.


also this thread is getting a bit personal.
 
Everyone around me said my skin turned really green. I vomited a few times, but I was so far out of it that I didn't even feel it. I thought I was completely disconnected from my body, but not in a cool/trippy kind of way. More like a "oh crap...I'm going to die" kind of way. Not fun at all. Now I can't even think about being high without feeling sick to my stomach, which I consider to be a good thing. Keeps me off drugs and on my bike :)
 
tjb2of3 said:
Everyone around me said my skin turned really green. I vomited a few times, but I was so far out of it that I didn't even feel it. I thought I was completely disconnected from my body, but not in a cool/trippy kind of way. More like a "oh crap...I'm going to die" kind of way. Not fun at all. Now I can't even think about being high without feeling sick to my stomach, which I consider to be a good thing. Keeps me off drugs and on my bike :)
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sounds like a high level DXM trip. you go from disconnected trippy fun, to disconnected trippy death feeling.
 
ajaf1656 said:
Sounds like you smoked Salvia. That crap makes you freak out.
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if it was salvia, you would know. cant smoke it in a J too well either.
 
Wow... This thread is still going on? Isnt there a Phish concert you guys should be getting ready for, or some hemp necklaces that need made? Man, I could smell the patchouli as soon as I logged in... ;)
 
know we do fake drugs...? are we too lazy to find real ones? i dont know.... this is just weird. I like my things authentic...ie.. pussy, drugs, booze, speed, fear, hate and pain....


Louie
 
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