Attempted Performance Upgrades to Exhaust and Carby Cause Starting Woes

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Hi everyone,
I have been reading the forum for some time, there is a lot to get through and some great advice. I have seen a few threads that touch on my problems but none that combine all of them.

Being mechanically inept, but keen to have a go, I ordered and installed th OORacing kit of blue CDI box, emissions blanking plate, straight through pipe and slip on "silencer", carby jets, rear cog etc I replaced the exhaust, jets and CDI, blanked off the emissions port and put a screw in the carb tube etc.Now I have real trouble starting the bike.

The idle mixture screw needs to be almost completely wound out for it to start and I have found it easier to start if I cover the end of the exhaust with my hand, then if ridden like that (without the hand of course) there is a lot of popping from the exhaust on deceleration (due to the overly rich mixture?) The screw eventually fell out and the spring was lost. I used the spring from a pen cut in half to give some tension to the screw. It has proved impossible to start in a standard 1-2 turns out idle mixture screw setting.

After starting, if I lean the idle mixture to peak rpm and adjust the idle speed it runs nicely, but bloody loud, and then it will start ok if hot, but if it cools down it won't start and the whole screwing around process has to start again.

It was so reliable albeit underpowered in its stock form, but now it is just a pain. I don't know why it works when covering the exhaust but I would like to be able to take it out without a screwdriver in my pocket.

I have read some Briggs and Stratton info on tuning a PZ-26 carb, but it is the starting that has me stumped. Any advice would be greatly appreciated as I believe the FNQ road racing championships are on at the end of August. (I will only be spectating unless they have an all Ace class). Thanks again.
 
Re: "Performance" Upgrades to Exhaust and Carby Cause Starting Woes

because you have bought all parts from oo racing, try emailing adrian at oo racing..not that we can't help , but he should have first hand experience with your setup on their dyno. he is a great guy and should be able to help.

pete
 
Re: "Performance" Upgrades to Exhaust and Carby Cause Starting Woes

ps hand over the exhaust makes it richer..same as choke
or covering front of carby
 
Re: "Performance" Upgrades to Exhaust and Carby Cause Starting Woes

possibly go with a larger pilot jet.
 
Re: "Performance" Upgrades to Exhaust and Carby Cause Starting Woes

pilots up to and including 48 have been used with open style mufflers 95 100 mains but i dont think main jet is problem.
 
Re: "Performance" Upgrades to Exhaust and Carby Cause Starting Woes

some of the guys have also added baffles to this style of muffler .
 
Re: "Performance" Upgrades to Exhaust and Carby Cause Starting Woes

Thanks for the advice. I will check the jets and other things I have done first as I believe it is definitely something I have done to the carb set up that is causing the problem. I might have put the wrong jet in or something like that.
 
Well that was certainly worthwhile. Went through the carburettor again and checked the jetting, slide, pen spring (still there) etc and changed up to a bigger pilot jet. Started first go with no choke. It seems it is back to normal and will now run with only two turns out of the idle mixture screw. Thanks Pete for steering me in the right direction. I did find some useful stuff on carburettors http://scootrs.com/tech.cfm?tip=tunecarb(for scooters but some good ideas for getting the correct jetting), and http://www.briggsandstratton.com/engines-racing/news/Carburetor%20Tuning%20Guide/~/media/Racing/carbtuningguide.ashx (the world formula carb seems pretty much identical.)

I was considering doing to 150 upgrade, but after reading about the guy who dropped the thrust washer into the engine and damaged it I am not so sure. That has me written all over it. Does anyone have actual engine model, availability, source on the 250cc engine that is going into the AVA Swift 250? I believe it is a Loncin engine but I cannot match it exactly to any on Ali Baba. It has no branding on the crankcase covers and there is no big CDI stamped on the side up the top of the cylinder. Also, from the photo it appears to fit with no extra engine mounting brackets. It is hard to find out too much about the AVA Swift as I don't think they are on the market as yet. I would be interested in that engine in particular. Maybe some others might like to "Ali Baba" a few to get the costs down?
 

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No probs. 150 mod is good . I have done it. Would go nicely with what you have done so far and keeps engine number a match if you get picked on by the peelers. Go up a cog in the front now with what you have for top end gain . 15 is standard 16 will get you well over the speed limit. I'm hitting 130- 135 k ( on dyno of course) :p


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orrible-64 said:
150 mod is good …

Very good!

Quite a few people have done the conversion, some of them with very little mechanical experience. The incident with the wave washer was caused by it being assembled in the wrong place; dropping it into the crankcase is not possible.

Crazy
 
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