Battery eliminator/minimaliser...

Pugsley

A pic I stole and modified...my intention!
Ok, dumb question...is a battery eliminator ( http://bat-pac.com/ or any similar) basically just a large capacitor? Can it be mounted (like some of you guys with a small gell battery) in any position like in the seat hump, or is there a risk of fire/explosive discharge. I ask bevcause I want to make a battery-less look on the 500T, and get rid of the sidepanels altogether.

I really like the see-thru triangle (ideal for storage?), but I would want lower weight than a battery in the rear cowl (already will have some high weight with those scrambler pipes...)

Thanks!
 
Does the 500T have a similar charging system as the CB550/750? I ask because the "Bat-Pac" won't work on a 550/750. This is from an electrical FAQ on the SOHC4 forum (which you can ignore if the answer to the first question is "no")

Lloyd (TwoTired) provided this additional information:
The SOHC4 alternators work by using magnetism created by an electromagnet (the field coil) that only behaves as a magnet when it is provided electricity needed to make a magnetic field.
Our field coils draw about 1.7 amps whenever the alternator is powered by enabling the key switch. (.7 amps if an installed battery is above 14.5V... not likely without the engine turning).

Each ignition coil draws 2.4 amps (5 ohm primaries) whenever its associated point contact is closed. There are two of them. Also, note that spark voltage diminishes with input voltage loss. When supply voltage falls below about 9 V, spark gap arcs are ify, at best. So, if you can eliminate any additional lighting loads, whenever you turn on the ignition, 4.1 amps at no lower than 9V are needed before the engine or alternator rotor is even turning. If not a battery, where will this current flow come from and how long?

Not the alternator.
It should be obvious that even a powered alternator will make no power output unless it is spinning. I've not seen or measured a power output vs, RPM chart. However, I do note that with lighting circuits enabled, the bike is unable to overcome the system loads and charge the battery, which is draining, at idle speeds of 1000 RPM.

As I understand it, the Bat Pac is simply a capacitor bank. To my knowledge, a perfect capacitor has yet to created. They all have series resistance and leakage resistance due to the materials they are created from and their physical properties. What this means is that they will NOT hold a charge indefinately. Nor will they give up their stored charge without some loss. This later property is probably not important for this application, though. But, the leakage is. More on this later.

Also, since our alternators can only make power when supplied some power. The Bat-Pac will have to be precharged to have any hope of starting the bike. And, there will be a very limited amount of time that the capacitor will have enough charge to start the bike. It's going to be a race between ignition on and kick start. And, if the bike has been sitting awhile, forget it, without some external power source.

So, when you kick start the bike, you're going to have to kick it to about 1500 RPM in order to keep the Bat-Pac charged up to a level that will continue to fire the ignition coils and spark plugs.
 
Hey Pugsley,

Your bike looks really cool in you avatar... do you have some more pics of it?

Woody
 
CB350, 450 and 500T all use self exciting altenatiors. The Bat-Pack will work for you. I have used a similar unit on my CB350. There is no power till the engine spins and it only spins over a couple of times per prod of the kickstarter.
 
zedd said:
CB350, 450 and 500T all use self exciting altenatiors. The Bat-Pack will work for you. I have used a similar unit on my CB350. There is no power till the engine spins and it only spins over a couple of times per prod of the kickstarter.

Well that answers that question! Now I wonder if I can get a 500T alternator on my 550.....
 
Fear My Twin said:
Scrambler pipes! You traitor! :mad:

What happened to the under-tail?

I'm not going that route!
THis is actually a doctored pic, btu will be nearly what I'm going for...first I gotta sell off a bunch of 500t parts!
 
I put three tiny batteries between my frame rails--under the seat. If you looked at the bike, you'd never know they are there. They worked really well so far.

--Chris
 
chrisf said:
I put three tiny batteries between my frame rails--under the seat. If you looked at the bike, you'd never know they are there. They worked really well so far.

--Chris

what make/model are these batteries?
 
I don't remember off the top of my head, but have a look at my website. There are high res pictures there that show the battery's make/model.

--Chris
 
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