Maritime said:I pity the bikes that go up against this one. maybe just make it BOTM by default LOL.
That would be me going up against it
Maritime said:I pity the bikes that go up against this one. maybe just make it BOTM by default LOL.
Kanticoy said:That would be me going up against it
Maritime said:LOL I haven't gone into the thread yet so didn't know that. Now it's gonna be hard to choose, I like your DR too.
ncologerojr said:For anyone following, I’ve withdrawn from the BOTM. The thread has been removed and will be postponed.
The whole thing was tainted and Kanticoy was getting screwed. Who knows who would have voted for my bike because they didn’t like Irk, or the other way around. It’s just not fair.
Thanks for the nomination, and thanks to anyone who would have voted.
Kanticoy said:Guess I missed all of that? I didn’t mean to insinuate anything in your thread, I was just messing with my buddy Mike (Maritime). Hope I didn’t cause an issue. I didn’t check in there today so I feel like I missed something. Anyway, get us up some riding video of this thing!
Jimbonaut said:Hey man, sorry for all the kerfuffle in that thread and even sorrier to see you withdraw from the competition. You built one hell of a bike here!
ridesolo said:What he said ^^. I enjoyed following your work and am envious of your abilities. It's a beautiful bike that I'd gladly (and proudly) ride anywhere.
Popeye SXM said:I love the BMW you have built and am sorry you have withdrawn from BOTM. I would like to thank you very much for the great documentation of the build, I have really enjoyed following. I didnʻt get Irkʻs post but DTT is full of jokerʻs so I didnʻt think anything of it. I hope you are not put off future documentation as that would be a loss to many
Jimbonaut said:Hey man, sorry for all the kerfuffle in that thread and even sorrier to see you withdraw from the competition. You built one hell of a bike here!
I am sorry I said what I said, but please stop playing victim. You don't care about my opinion. Great. It is what is. But, from my perspective the difference is you got paid $9300 to build someone else's bike. That is a shitload of money and for a bike that is not your own. You can try to justify it all you want. The bike you were competing against is a daily driver where every dime came out of his own pocket. He bought it in pieces at swap meets. He probably has no more than $2000 in his bike.ncologerojr said:Thanks guys. I’m not worried about it. I really appreciate the support, but I’m not here for contests.
As far as Irk’s pictures/opinions, I could care less. I stopped drawing dicks in middle school, I don’t want him to like my stuff.
This was my third BOTM nomination, and every time there was someone preaching that I should be excluded because I build bikes for other people part-time (I work full time as a firefighter), and there are always members that support that position. I guess that’s fine too, although I don’t understand how that makes me any less of an enthusiast. None of my bikes have ever been “big-budget” builds, and other BOTM winners have definitely invested more money in fancy components than on any bike I’ve ever built. Anyone can learn to do what I do, and I am always willing to help them do so.
Like I said, I’m not here for contests, but yet again the BOTM nomination shows that there is a stigma against guys like me. It just seems like I’m allowed to contribute content and try to help others, but it stops there. I’d like to say that I’m not turned-off by all this, but I am.
irk miller said:I am sorry I said what I said, but please stop playing victim. You don't care about my opinion. Great. It is what is. But, from my perspective the difference is you got paid $9300 to build someone else's bike. That is a shitload of money and for a bike that is not your own. You can try to justify it all you want. The bike you were competing against is a daily driver where every dime came out of his own pocket. He bought it in pieces at swap meets. He probably has no more than $2000 in his bike.
There will always be differences of opinions and there will always be guys like me that don't want BOTM to be a competition of professionals against garage builders. Should I get what I want? Probably not. Am I always right? Hardly. If the majority (or just Tim) thinks you should compete, then you should compete. Nothing but opinions. As a professional artist, I have been criticized in publications and I've been praised in publications. People have bought a lot of my work and many pieces are in museums throughout the world. But, there is also more crap cluttering my house and studio that will never get bought. It comes with the territory. As creative people, this is the life we live.
I am sorry you don't like to talk to "people like Irk." You actually know nothing about me, so that judgement is shallow. I made a bad joke, and I admit it. It was a prank and never meant to be serious. Then I reacted badly to some criticism. I admit that too. With sponsorship, the stakes are different so BOTM is no longer a place for pranks. We can no longer submit a box of parts for BOTM. Despite all of this, I am not a bad person. You really have no idea what people like Irk are like. Have you ever considered the anonymity of the internet and the possibility that you may have actually met Irk?
You like to point out how much you bring to the table, which I agree you bring an amazing amount to the table. It is wonderful that you have become this good being self-taught, but much also comes from being taught by others, as well. It's easy to become siloed on our spaces and we lose perspective on bad decisions, especially when a significant amount of work is involved. Your brain tricks you into liking something so that you don't have to do it all over again. I do it. We all do it.
Anyway, there's more of my opinion you don't care about. I am sorry for making a mess of stuff and especially for this becoming personal. And please save the stigma talk for Jesus or convicts. There is no stigma against you. It was just a situation where someone took on his own (siloed) perspective and thought he was fighting the good fight for a friend.
You really should read what I wrote again. No blame to you. Of all the bikes I’ve built, I sold one. I had $800 in it and sold it for $1200. Then I turned around and spent $400 on a DR370. Every other bike I have either chopped up and turned into something else, traded it for another bike, or I still have it. My CB750 chopper’s engine has been in three frames. My barn has 9 bikes in it. My carport has 4. I’ve never seen you not do a thread on here that wasn’t a customer bike, so sorry I took that as you being pro builder.ncologerojr said:You’ve probably built at least twice as many bikes as me. Where you you keep them all? Did you sell any? What’s the difference in getting money before or after? Are you eligible for BOTM?
Btw, I still work out of my garage.
+1ridesolo said:What he said ^^. I enjoyed following your work and am envious of your abilities. It's a beautiful bike that I'd gladly (and proudly) ride anywhere.
CrabsAndCylinders said:Maybe a clear set of requirements for BOTM, voted on by members would settle this?
Personally, I had no problem with that BMW and I would have probably voted for it.
Brian
Aussie Steve said:+1
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advCo said:Nice work on the fenders man. Working that old sheet steel can be tough, especially something as heavy as 16 ga!
Did you heat shrink or use a shrinker to get that corner?