Bryan Fuller's SOHC CB750!!!

[crazypj]

Auww! That Japanese flag paint job that was in the rendering is inspired, and I'm pissed that I never thought of that. It doesn't really translate on the finished product though.

That's real old.
I did a better one for a BSA about 30+ yrs ago
Has Union Jack in 'B',
Early Japanese flag in 'S' (with 'sun rays')
American flag in 'A'
I'll have to see if I can find a picture (doubtful though as it was a LONG time ago)
I also did a mono-shock CB400f (big bore 500cc motor, etc) with BSA 'tank badges'
Underneath 'BSA' was explanation in small 'print', 'bits stuck anywhere' ;D

Those mountainbike brakes?

They are 'inside out brakes.
Instead of using large diameter rotor, it's a tiny one mounted like a clutch plate

 

[biker_reject]

Yeah, those are trick Beringer brakes from France...

 

[Kanticoy]

The suspension still turns my stomach. Just as PJ said, its trying to tear itself from the frame. It's going to be stiff as hell until it gets through its positive arc and then its gonna go flatter than a pogo stick with a hefty girl on it. Awesome.....stiff when you don't want it, squishy when it doesn't need to be.

I equally hate how they jacked the tank up to match the top motor line....looks gross to me.

 

[Sonreir]

The exhaust is looking a bit short as well... I bet they could have gotten a few more ponies by stretching it out another couple of feet.

 

[Chimera Moto Works]

I'm not going to sit here and name off 15 things that are wrong about the bikes functionality. People who know anything about bikes or suspensions in general, already know of the issues, including the Weak Ass front end.

As for OP, lighter, does not always mean faster, if the bike rips itself apart from the frame one day.

As for the bike in general, I think its poop. And Fuller, I wouldn't shake his hand if it had free money in it. Stick to cars, and to hanging out with crowds of people who must think its the "cool new thing" to be a complete asshole/look at me type.

With all that said, yeah, it looks different, but the seat looks like something from the 70's, and the tank position, imo, is horrible. If you want a cafe fighter, start with a bike that can actually become a cafe fighter. He could've at least done more modifying to the tank...

anyways... continue

 

[Kanticoy]

I guess that my big problem is the example it is setting for the cafe scene...I keep seeing because of this, it makes the bikes harder to find, and much more likely to find PO fuckups that have to be fixed when we do find them. I personally like unmolested bikes to give the treatment to rather than worrying about hacked off bits that I didn't hack off that might compromise the integrity of the bike. People see other people hacking up bikes on tv and they mimic. Teazer put up a great post about the US mindset that it is better to "do" than to "plan". Problem is, some things can't be undone. I'm not an advocate of restoration over modification obviously, I just want it done right to begin with. If you don't plan it out, you end up with garbage. It's the equivalent of hacking everything from the front seats back on a car off and trying to rebuild it.

I just hate the mentality that "old bikes are disposable".

 

[haplo_84]

Yep, the shock placement means
1. it has to have a real stiff spring, don't know leverage ratio but it looks high? (I'm not going to do any scale drawings or math on it)
2. mounting has to be MUCH stronger as it's trying to tear it off frame, it doesn't directly 'feed' stress to steering head

Only when something isn't done right.
A professional motorcycle tech (instead of a car builder) would have a real good idea how to overcome the 'problem'
It isn't as low as some of the previous pictures make it look though.
Still needs a fork brace, front end is lowered more than it looks.
I can't place it, but, something doesn't look right with the carb mounting angle?

I think the carb angle that looks so weird to you is just because of how the tank it wounted to flow with the line of the valve cover instead of laying flat.

Personal opinion, as a show piece this may do it for some, but overall I just puked a lil in my mouth when i saw it. Its a waste of a perfectly good bike. Its like watching sons of guns and watching them shoot up the perfectly good japanese bikes with a browning machine gun with OCC. Made me sick to my stomach.

 

[crazypj]

I'm not going to sit here and name off 15 things that are wrong about the bikes functionality. People who know anything about bikes or suspensions in general, already know of the issues, including the Weak Ass front end.


With all that said, yeah, it looks different, but the seat looks like something from the 70's, and the tank position, imo, is horrible. If you want a cafe fighter, start with a bike that can actually become a cafe fighter. He could've at least done more modifying to the tank...

Aaww, go on, give us 15 things functionally wrong with it
There are a bazzillion 'supersport' 600,couple of 750 and load of 1000 that would make much better street-fighters
Streetfighters were 'invented' in Britain in the 80's 8)

I think the carb angle is weird, because it IS weird with the front end 'down'

 

[Chimera Moto Works]

Aaww, go on, give us 15 things functionally wrong with it
There are a bazzillion 'supersport' 600,couple of 750 and load of 1000 that would make much better street-fighters
Streetfighters were 'invented' in Britain in the 80's 8)

I think the carb angle is weird, because it IS weird with the front end 'down'

I was actually trying to state that I wasn't going to be "one of those guys" that finds 15 problems with the bike because they didn't build it how they would build it.

With that said, why not just state that the bike is cool only for the fact that "people around these parts don't see bikes like dem ther ver much."

If you're looking for attention, sweet bike. If you're thinking it'll hold with anything actually setup for road racing, expect it to be in a lot of rear view mirrors.

 

[my-79-750-k]

It's quite hideous IMO. But whatever, he did what the producers wanted him to do; stir up the vintage bike community for ratings. Yes, he chopped up one of who knows how few left coveted '69 750's and threw an off the shelf 836 kit in it. Yes, he used super long forks with clip-ons and didn't shorten them or slide em up through the triples. Yes he used a very sketchy looking mono-shock. And yes, he put modern looking SS wheels on a tubed swing arm that "holds engine oil", however efficient, or practical, that ends up being. But by us sitting around the campfire and bitching about it, they have done their jobs well, and will continue to be counting money hand over fist. That's all I'm saying about that.

 

[CBdublin]

yes, this was killed in the season 2 thread but why not?? heres one more for " it looks like joke who built it... laughable! "

 

[reelinfeele]

If someone on here built it we would be voting on it for bike of the month. I think its cool. So what if he cut up a cb, they only made 546378900000 million of them. The brakes are cool. The paint is up to the builder/owner. How much engineerng really needs to go nto a shock mount? As lomg as the frame is braced properly, it will hold. If it doenst handle, then it doesnt handle. If the spring rates are within range of each other then it should be ok. Yes, i think it qualifies as a fighter more than cafe. But what is the definition of cafe? Cut, modified, lightened, suped up???

 

[Chimera Moto Works]

It's quite hideous IMO. But whatever, he did what the producers wanted him to do; stir up the vintage bike community for ratings. Yes, he chopped up one of who knows how few left coveted '69 750's and threw an off the shelf 836 kit in it. Yes, he used super long forks with clip-ons and didn't shorten them or slide em up through the triples. Yes he used a very sketchy looking mono-shock. And yes, he put modern looking SS wheels on a tubed swing arm that "holds engine oil", however efficient, or practical, that ends up being. But by us sitting around the campfire and bitching about it, they have done their jobs well, and will continue to be counting money hand over fist. That's all I'm saying about that.

I agree with this, but at the same time, they're losing ALL the money from the Majority of people on this forum with just how stubborn and proud they are for doing stupid and questionable sh*t. I guess they'll get ahold of the "hipster" crowd and there money, because the mass majority of the current 16-20 crowd weren't even raised knowing how to use a ratchet and don't know wtf they're buying or looking at anyways. Cheers to sell-outs!

 

[OpTiCz]

Re: Re: Bryan Fuller's SOHC CB750!!!

If someone on here built it we would be voting on it for bike of the month. I think its cool. So what if he cut up a cb, they only made 546378900000 million of them. The brakes are cool. The paint is up to the builder/owner. How much engineerng really needs to go nto a shock mount? As lomg as the frame is braced properly, it will hold. If it doenst handle, then it doesnt handle. If the spring rates are within range of each other then it should be ok. Yes, i think it qualifies as a fighter more than cafe. But what is the definition of cafe? Cut, modified, lightened, suped up???

I'm pretty sure if someone bastardized a sand cast CB750 the only thing being voted on is a ban on that person

They also made a billion mustangs, but not many GT500s.

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[Chimera Moto Works]

If someone on here built it we would be voting on it for bike of the month. I think its cool. So what if he cut up a cb, they only made 546378900000 million of them. The brakes are cool. The paint is up to the builder/owner. How much engineerng really needs to go nto a shock mount? As lomg as the frame is braced properly, it will hold. If it doenst handle, then it doesnt handle. If the spring rates are within range of each other then it should be ok. Yes, i think it qualifies as a fighter more than cafe. But what is the definition of cafe? Cut, modified, lightened, suped up???

You don't know what you're talking about.

"we would be voting on it for bike of the month." is the problem with some of the people on this forum. You're accepting that BOTM on DTT should be the prettiest/most outstanding looking bike of the month. What happened to function over form?

"they only made 10938092309..." look that up again. I'm not a Honda person, but evidently a 69 750 is NOT a very common bike.

"how much engineering really needs to go into a mono shock mount?" Are you serious? If you're planning to one day just pop in a mono-shock arm and cut off the factory dual rear shocks, Without taking Any drivetrain/suspension geometry into consideration, I hope you have a safe ride. Even doing it the simple way, such as Keeping the dual rear shocks on the bike and having it set to ride height, while then installing the mono swingarm and shock, and Then cutting and removing the factory dual shocks, will at least help keep your geometry in same relation to what it was from the factory. You can't just blindly do this kind of shit. At least not safely.

The frame being supported has nothin to do with Shitty shock mount tabs or shock placement. The suspension can still crack and fail, leaving the frame in tact.

"If it doesn't handle it doesn't handle." I forgot that we build Cafe styled bikes to Not handle. Can you honestly make that statement and be happy with it? Did you lower your car by cutting the springs in half? Sure, it's slammed on the ground yo! But in 6 months when Every bushing in the entire suspension fails and gets chewed to f*ck, enjoy that slammed ride, and the massive mechanic/alignment bill to fix it down the road.

And continue...

 

[Kanticoy]

Re: Re: Bryan Fuller's SOHC CB750!!!

If someone on here built it we would be voting on it for bike of the month. I think its cool. So what if he cut up a cb, they only made 546378900000 million of them. The brakes are cool. The paint is up to the builder/owner. How much engineerng really needs to go nto a shock mount? As lomg as the frame is braced properly, it will hold. If it doenst handle, then it doesnt handle. If the spring rates are within range of each other then it should be ok. Yes, i think it qualifies as a fighter more than cafe. But what is the definition of cafe? Cut, modified, lightened, suped up???

I'm sorry, but everything in this post is exactly what perpetuates the "fuck it, it doesn't matter" attitude. I mean why not give a good name to the vintage racer community rather than get stuck with the "we do what we want cause it looks cool" category. I thought that was covered by the cruiser crowd (stereotypical version of them anyway). I totally disagree with especially the last sentence. Everything is done to improve performance, not fashion.

And no, there were far far far less sandcast 750s built than any other sohc Honda (7400 +/- of them to be exact, far less known to have survived). That bike was what blended the handmade aspect of a production bike with innovation. After that it was all mass production numbers. It is up to US to appreciate the history of our hobby, because without that appreciation, you can't love what you are doing which in the end produces a crap final product....as seen here imo.

 

[ervguy]

Go K..you said it right!!

 

[reelinfeele]

So this site is full of mechanical engineers. I had no idea. Why are they not using any bikes from this website? They used his because of his TV cred. "people know who he is" or can recognize him from overhauling or two guys garage.

Ok so maybe they only made a handful of sand cast hondas, but they made a bunch of 750's. Maybe not the best example to chop up.

How does the saying go? " anyone can restore one, but it takes a man to cut one up"

 

[VonYinzer]

Just going to chime in real quick... All opinion, so take it for wha it is.

1. The bikes ugly. The lines are off. The styles are too far apart to be hastily mixed.
2. Brian Fuller and many others who are now showing up in the custom bike scene (not just cafe bikes) do it because its easy money. They dont fucking care about performance or functionality. Look at the chopper craze of a decade ago. How many of those names are still around?
3. Anyone who thinks cutting a sandcast up (thats not junk to begin with) is no big deal is a douche.
4. Anyone who cuts up said sandcast after promising the PO, who bought it new, that they werent going to cut it up, and than doing it in front of them deserves to be fucking smacked with a 1/2" ratchet.
5. Anyone who likes this bike, likes it for purely sexual reasons. Its like when you see a really interesting looking foriegn woman. You just want to bang her because she doesnt look like the boring skanks you normally drink with.
6. The engineering in this bike is trash, therefore the bike is trash.
7. Now that Brian Fuller is one of the new faces of the "cafe" scene, get ready for a slew of asshats that may be great at building chops and hot rods to throw their hat in the publicity ring. (Remember the Santiago Choppers "cafe"?) 99% of everything they build will be shit. Again, like the chopper craze, 99% of all of it was garbage.
8. The bike looks stupid.
9. I like turtles.
10. The end.

 

[VonYinzer]

So this site is full of mechanical engineers. I had no idea. Why are they not using any bikes from this website? They used his because of his TV cred. "people know who he is" or can recognize him from overhauling or two guys garage.

Ok so maybe they only made a handful of sand cast hondas, but they made a bunch of 750's. Maybe not the best example to chop up.

How does the saying go? " anyone can restore one, but it takes a man to cut one up"

Some of the most argumentative, and dead worng things I have ever seen on this site. Nothing personal man, but c'mon...

Especially the "restore/cut up" comment. Thats silly. And since its in quotes, Id like to know who said it.