CB550K - Should I re-jet the carbs after removing air box??

Derwood

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Brand new to the game. Looking for advice on which jets need to be changed to which size after removing air-box. I plan on using the K&N pods.

Thanks in advance!
 
Ok... This can get really sticky, as much as we all would love for there to be a set formula, every bike runs different. I feel most important is to sync the carbs first. It isn't that hard and gives you a baseline to start. I've had bikes that I threw cheap pods on and ran fine with little adjustment, then I've had bikes so touchy, it became a nightmare. I have a Seca 900, and it won't fire with the air filter out. This makes it a little difficult when you're doing some services and tuning.

Pull the air filter out and see if it will run, pull the box and see if it will run, add you pods and see if it will run, if all this works so far, you need to ride it and see where performance drops off.... Idle? Top end? Mid range? Once you have that process defined, then people will have suggestions. You also have to realize changing the exhaust will also have an effect. The best way to do it, is balance. You have to remember an engine is nothing but a big airbox, you have to try to balance the amount of air you take in, to the exhaust you put out, to keep from lean or rich issues. Take it slow, note changes and if it goes awry, put it back where you started. For a guy with little experience, it's best to keep the bike running so you don't lose track of what you did. On a lot of older bikes, people make the adjustments needed just to keep it running. I like to get the carbs synced to bring out the issues that need to be addressed, like maybe the shaft seals or needle jets. Once the carbs are solid, it'll be much easier to get them dialed in. Rejetting a bike with worn shaft seals will be hours of frustration.... Don't be afraid, I don't know the science behind carbs, but rebuilding and adjusting isn't anywhere near as hard as it sounds... Also make sure the intakes are solid and not sucking air.
 
It's like asking a bookie wich horse to bet on. He won't tell - even if he does know the answer.

General rule of thumb is 10/15% up @ main jet. If you run 100's now, you should try 110/115.
Don't take my word for it, my ported 550 with 650 cam runs awesome with stock carbs, short muffler and cheap pods.
 
All good advice and the wit to go with it! Awesome.

The plan is to run with individual pods. I have aleady had the bike running sans air box and it runs well but does need some adjustment.

What is the difference between cheap pods and not-cheap pods?
 
emgo , no-name , see through , able to keep small boulders , shrubs and children out of your carbs
vs
K&N if you just have to have the "look" and Uni (flammable) foam filters .

[opinion] largest available filter for the inlet diameter . Well designed inlet from th filter to the carb throat .
Sufficient filtering capability to keep debris out . Durability , longevity , ease of maintenance , wet weather performance . Emgo meets none of these requirements [/opinion]

~kop
 
kopcicle said:
emgo , no-name , see through , able to keep small boulders , shrubs and children out of your carbs
vs
K&N if you just have to have the "look" and Uni (flammable) foam filters .

[opinion] largest available filter for the inlet diameter . Well designed inlet from th filter to the carb throat .
Sufficient filtering capability to keep debris out . Durability , longevity , ease of maintenance , wet weather performance . Emgo meets none of these requirements [/opinion]

~kop

I had great luck with the EMGO's on my Yamaha 850, but according to the 850 guys (the 850 is the be all/end all of real bikes) I could have pissed in the tank and it would have run better than most other bikes, but to be honest, I've never had that luck with them on any other bike, so you're probably spot on. I had an older gentleman explain to me that the factories spent millions designing air boxes for bikes and that he doubted EMGO had that same R&D budget. I like the look of the intake area cleaned up, but not at the cost of performance. My Seca 900 won't even fire with the air filter removed from the box, but when everything is tight and solid, it runs really well for 30 y.o. bike. I can honestly say, I've heard literally hundreds of guys have issues with the EMGO's, and very few of us have had any real luck with them. They look cool, but you have to ask... Am I after performance or fashion???

I recently ran into a guy who had a Bandit 1000, he spent tons of $ trying to get the bike to run right, dyno time, K&N's, ecm's etc. and just wasn't happy. I told him to go back where he started, he went back to the stock box and was thrilled with the performance, he actually brought the K&N to Mulholland and tried to give it away..... No takers, nobody wanted it. And this is a guy who track days regularly and rides like he stole it. I think Dennis and others are on to something, it takes a lot of R&D to make something better and most of us hack's want to just bolt something on and go racing. Unfortunately it really isn't that easy...
 
kopcicle said:
emgo , no-name , see through , able to keep small boulders , shrubs and children out of your carbs
vs
K&N if you just have to have the "look" and Uni (flammable) foam filters .

[opinion] largest available filter for the inlet diameter . Well designed inlet from th filter to the carb throat .
Sufficient filtering capability to keep debris out . Durability , longevity , ease of maintenance , wet weather performance . Emgo meets none of these requirements [/opinion]

~kop

FWIW, the emgo pods burn pretty well too. Took me a week to get the fire extinguisher powder out of all the crevices. the Emgo's don't melt though.

I have Uni's on now, but as soon as I get a mounting tab repaired, I am going back to the stock airbox, with some UNI foam replacing the old paper element.
 
Derwood said:
All good advice and the wit to go with it! Awesome.

The plan is to run with individual pods. I have aleady had the bike running sans air box and it runs well but does need some adjustment.

What is the difference between cheap pods and not-cheap pods?

any engine will run good without pods. Try riding it.. You will know it when you apply some resistance.
 
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