cb750 caliper problem

dixiedevil

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Ok so i was having a seal problem, and just got the new one, no more seal problem. Now i am having a problem when i bleed the brakes the pads just lock down on the disk. I changed the master cylinder , so maybe thats the problem. yet i have pressure i attached a pic , maybe i have the banjo and bleeder in the wrong spots?
caliper.jpg


I dont know what to do here. I have looked at the diagram a thousand times.

when i assembled the caliper i put the piston in then the spring then the cap then the pad. did i do something backwards?

I read around about ratios and junk bo no mention that if i use the wrong MC that it will lock down on the disk, more so that i wont have proper response.

any help would be beneficial
 
dixiedevil said:
I dont know what to do here. I have looked at the diagram a thousand times.


any help would be beneficial

hmm. It could be a couple of things I can think of. First would be the new seal is grabbing the caliper piston and not letting it return? Did you clean the seal groove in the caliper? My experience of honda calipers is that this groove can fill with crud behind the seal and push it against the piston if a new seal is installed over it. Second thing to look at would be the (very) small return hole in the master cylinder. These are very fine, and are supposed to release the pressure when the lever is returned, allowing the caliper piston to release. If these clog up, it won't release.

The bleeder and banjo appear to be in the correct spots. The bleeder needs to be a the highest point of the caliper to release any air in the system. I'm not familiar with this particular system, but that's the logic behind it anyway.

Hope this gives you something to go on?

cheers
ian
 
the caliper i have for some reason had a spring inside the hollow portion of the piston. So the orders is piston, spring inside the hollow portion then cap of piston. Im going to try cleaning out the groove
 
is it just me, or is your caliper arm backwards? weren't the cb750 calipers set up so they were on the front side of the left fork?
 
@ Gage Werke Composites = according the fiche finder there is no spring so know idea why the PO put a spring in there... *throws it over the shoulder*

Steps taken to find the cause:
1. Determine if Master Cylinder was properly functioning. It is.
2. Determine if line was ruined. It was not.
3. Determine if groove that seal fits into was dirty. It was thoroughly clean.
4. Determine if Seal was bad. It was not, brand new seal, fro the right caliper.
5. Determine if piston integrity was compromised. It is not
6. Determine if piston was pushing & retracting. It is.


What has caused the problem(with pictures):

The 76 CB750K calipers pistons are topped with a rounded cap which extends the length of the piston unlike surrounding year models which utilize a flat top that pops into the piston not changing the length. It seems, over the years the pad portion of the calipers walls become significantly worn, presumably due to combinations of typical wear such as heat, abuse, 20 years of use, etc.. Over time this wear results a very rough and scarred wall which causes the pad to catch as it is pushed out. It seems extending from the "pad screw slot" some sort of groove is present, whether this is supposed to be there or not I'm not exactly sure as it looks to even at the beginning point not to be.

This may be inaccurate as i have not seen a brand new 1976 brake caliper. Either way if you look at the picture( figure 2 ) you can see what I'm talking about. There seems to have been a raised edge or something there that dissipates as it moves towards the side opposite of the screw guide.

I feel that the combination of the irregularities and scarring on the walls along with the domed cap of the piston result in the pad becoming slanted during bleeding or use. By slanted, I'm talking a very minimal, maybe ~ 1/50" of an inch (guesstimate, no actual measurements were taken). This angle cause the pad to bind on the caliper wall, not allowing the pad to retract with the piston. The bind is not self fixing by excessive bleeding, in this case.

I drew a cross-section(quite terribly though) of what i am talking about.
FIGURE 1
CALIPER_DRAWING-1.jpg


*i apologize in advance to the engineers for the terribly done drawing, 5mins in paint*

Also attached is a picture showing the damaged wall.
FIGURE 2
caliper_arrows.jpg


I would conclude that these are possible solutions:

1. removal of the rounded cap will solve some of the movement problems because the piston will push on a large amount of area, more importantly flat, and wider diameter than the rounded cap does

2. The inside wall must be smoothed and polished, only to the point that it does not create a significantly large Diameter

or...
3. Throw the sucker in the trash and get a new housing


Whatever this case maybe, I would say its extremely important to inspect the inside walls of the pad are to make sure it is not scared. I don't think anyone wants the pad to lock on you when your doing the TON!!!!

Please, any feed back would be great


The one and only,

dixiedevil


P.S. : that was a lot to say and I'm really tired, if something doesn't make sense point it out and i will look at it in the a.m.
 
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