Come On Eileen!....tanks for the memories!
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Re: Come On Eileen!....MONO-PROGRESS!
keep chuggin, you won't be able to tell a difference when your done... If you can, theres plenty of other bikes out there begging to be mono'd
On that note, if yours is lever arm is at a 90 degree and questionable, then what about something like this....? that's quite a bit over 90 there...
keep chuggin, you won't be able to tell a difference when your done... If you can, theres plenty of other bikes out there begging to be mono'd
On that note, if yours is lever arm is at a 90 degree and questionable, then what about something like this....? that's quite a bit over 90 there...
forcefanajd
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Re: Come On Eileen!....MONO-PROGRESS!
yo twisted, something positive came out of me, where the hell are you?
yo twisted, something positive came out of me, where the hell are you?
forcefanajd
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Re: Come On Eileen!....MONO-PROGRESS!
crazypj
Split personality, I fake being smart
Re: Come On Eileen!....MONO-PROGRESS!
LOL ;D ;D ;D
Didnt think 'doing it right' would cause so much 'discussion'.
Its going to b far superior to stock no matter what happens, simply because the rear frame won't flex and sing arm is going to be way more rigid
Drawing it out kinda sucks because you have arcs going everywhere (at least I do)
Like the pix with coloured lines 8)
The straight lines are not where shock is going to be, except at full extension.
On full 'bump' the rear is going to be higher and more 'parallel' with ground as rear of swing arm rises
Build the rear end exactly as you have mock up and allow for a couple of alternative holes on rear, the 'U' section will be plenty strong (or triangular front mount with 'lightening' holes that just happen to be same size as bolt)
Multi-adjustable is good on a race bike 8)
PJ
forcefanajd said:
LOL
;D ;D ;DDidnt think 'doing it right' would cause so much 'discussion'.
Its going to b far superior to stock no matter what happens, simply because the rear frame won't flex and sing arm is going to be way more rigid
Drawing it out kinda sucks because you have arcs going everywhere (at least I do
)Like the pix with coloured lines 8)
The straight lines are not where shock is going to be, except at full extension.
On full 'bump' the rear is going to be higher and more 'parallel' with ground as rear of swing arm rises
Build the rear end exactly as you have mock up and allow for a couple of alternative holes on rear, the 'U' section will be plenty strong (or triangular front mount with 'lightening' holes that just happen to be same size as bolt)
Multi-adjustable is good on a race bike 8)
PJ
tWistedWheelz
BUILT NOT BOUGHT!
Re: Come On Eileen!....MONO-PROGRESS!
Sorry force, Thanks man! I am going over my numbers again to check for possible mistakes. I may have found one too. We all know what a mistake in the middle of an equation leads too. A WRONG FINAL PRODUCT! I was content, but just as the first nay-sayers did, this has light a hotter flame under my ass and I want this bitch to be perfect! I mean PERFECT! Spot on! So, I will keep the stuff I have in case I want to fall back on it! But I have set out to create a new set-up that is perfect! I am a little anal about shit, so why should this be different! I will start on the new work this evening when I can get in my shop.
Thanks to all of you, negitive or positive feedback! You all have driven me to maddness, but I will build the perfect suspension for Eileen now! I have seen quite a few mono's built on this site and never have I seen a responce like this at all to any of them. This make me wonder, do members care more about Eileen than other bikes, do members believe in my ability over other builders, or are members just tired of keeping quiet and the peanut gallery opened? I lean toward the later, but in any event, it has fueled my desire for knowledge in suspension and designing!
So, grab a drink, a dictionary, and a thesaurus. Warm up your typing fingers and be ready to pore your praises (critisism) over the images to come after tonights shop session!
FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION!
Sorry force, Thanks man! I am going over my numbers again to check for possible mistakes. I may have found one too. We all know what a mistake in the middle of an equation leads too. A WRONG FINAL PRODUCT! I was content, but just as the first nay-sayers did, this has light a hotter flame under my ass and I want this bitch to be perfect! I mean PERFECT! Spot on! So, I will keep the stuff I have in case I want to fall back on it! But I have set out to create a new set-up that is perfect! I am a little anal about shit, so why should this be different! I will start on the new work this evening when I can get in my shop.
Thanks to all of you, negitive or positive feedback! You all have driven me to maddness, but I will build the perfect suspension for Eileen now! I have seen quite a few mono's built on this site and never have I seen a responce like this at all to any of them. This make me wonder, do members care more about Eileen than other bikes, do members believe in my ability over other builders, or are members just tired of keeping quiet and the peanut gallery opened? I lean toward the later, but in any event, it has fueled my desire for knowledge in suspension and designing!
So, grab a drink, a dictionary, and a thesaurus. Warm up your typing fingers and be ready to pore your praises (critisism) over the images to come after tonights shop session!
FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION!
forcefanajd
Over 1,000 Posts
Re: Come On Eileen!....MONO-PROGRESS!
haha....youre getting the same ammount of responses that gretta was getting during the build.
eileen and gretta sitting in a tree k-i-s-s-i-n-g, first comes love.....lol seriously gretta and eileen need a photoshoot together when they are done.
haha....youre getting the same ammount of responses that gretta was getting during the build.
eileen and gretta sitting in a tree k-i-s-s-i-n-g, first comes love.....lol seriously gretta and eileen need a photoshoot together when they are done.
crazypj
Split personality, I fake being smart
Re: Come On Eileen!....MONO-PROGRESS!
You can name names, we're all friend here
scm has some 'math', I just say what I think, even if it does sound dumb most of the time.
You should qualify 'perfect' though, it's going to be perfect for you and no-one else. ;D
btw, was that a deliberate pun? ( anal about shit) lol
PJ
tWistedWheelz said:
You can name names, we're all friend here
scm has some 'math', I just say what I think, even if it does sound dumb most of the time.
You should qualify 'perfect' though, it's going to be perfect for you and no-one else. ;D
btw, was that a deliberate pun? ( anal about shit)
lolPJ
Re: Come On Eileen!....MONO-PROGRESS!
hey bud... i think you got this sucker... hell just keep welding metal on till it works
if you need me to measure any shocks, i have a FZR600, GSXR600, and GSXR1000 shock in the shop, i can run a tape on them for you... hell i may even have a CBR600 shock as well....
hey bud... i think you got this sucker... hell just keep welding metal on till it works
if you need me to measure any shocks, i have a FZR600, GSXR600, and GSXR1000 shock in the shop, i can run a tape on them for you... hell i may even have a CBR600 shock as well....
biker_reject
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Re: Come On Eileen!....MONO-PROGRESS!
You're doing great, dude. This and other recent threads are getting me stoked to resume my projects which have been on hold for months. After I get my half of the garage sorted, it should be warm enough to start working on bikes again. I can't wait for more progress pics.
Squirley, is that Duc another one of your bikes? Makin' me drool, boy!
You're doing great, dude. This and other recent threads are getting me stoked to resume my projects which have been on hold for months. After I get my half of the garage sorted, it should be warm enough to start working on bikes again. I can't wait for more progress pics.
Squirley, is that Duc another one of your bikes? Makin' me drool, boy!
tWistedWheelz
BUILT NOT BOUGHT!
Re: Come On Eileen!....MONO-PROGRESS!
Sorry, no pics to show the progress on the mono-shock geometry tonight, but it is done. My fiancé had the camera tonight, bummer! Anyway, after making three new brackets and moving the mounting points all around, my best figures came from the bracket I already had! I just had to move it a bit. The angles were very close to correct before but were a touch off. The picture with the MS paint overlay is just at a bad angle for you to get the correct angle of the swingarm plane vs. the shock plane. The angle was less than 90 degrees in that setup. I did drop the upper mounting point about 3/8 of an inch lower into the frame (closer to the ground) and ¼ of an inch towards the rear of the bike. I also raised the ride height of the bike another ¾ of an inch. All of that moving pushed my lower mount bracket towards the rear about a ¼ of an inch. The new setup come to the following: angle at full extension : 74º, angle at full compression 89º, total vertical axle travel : 5.25”, difference in length of shock travel from full extension to full compression : 2.25”. I found my flaw in figuring my rising rate % comes from mistakes in measurement across the arc. As I raise the axle vertically using the cardboard template, the error of margin is too great to get a true rising rate %. I was finding my numbers to “flatten” in mid arc then rise again at the end. My only figure is that the margin of error is killing that figure. I do know for a fact though that it is at a rising rate setup and it is setup at a progressive angle. Is that perfect? Well it is still a vintage bike, and I never plan to race it. I want to have some cornering fun on it, and I think it is far more capable now than before. I define that to be MY perfect!
PJ, none of my comments were directed at you individually, I respect your opinion more than most on here! I know we all have our moments! It was not a deliberate pun, but can I claim it now! ;D
A pic may be worth a thousand words, but this proves that MS paint geometry cannot be applied to a photo and hold any weight!
Joe, thanks man. I will let you know if I need something in that range!
Biker-reject! Get’em out and get to wrenchin brother! But know that if your doing a mono, wear you big boy undies and carry your big guns cause the mob will attack!
I hope this puts this issue to rest so Eileen can move forward! She has a long way to go, and I am already getting impatient! Again I thank all of you; this is what makes a project great! I hope when it’s all said and done, Eileen is even close to some of the great builds I have seen here!
Cheers
Brandon
Sorry, no pics to show the progress on the mono-shock geometry tonight, but it is done. My fiancé had the camera tonight, bummer!
Anyway, after making three new brackets and moving the mounting points all around, my best figures came from the bracket I already had! I just had to move it a bit. The angles were very close to correct before but were a touch off. The picture with the MS paint overlay is just at a bad angle for you to get the correct angle of the swingarm plane vs. the shock plane. The angle was less than 90 degrees in that setup. I did drop the upper mounting point about 3/8 of an inch lower into the frame (closer to the ground) and ¼ of an inch towards the rear of the bike. I also raised the ride height of the bike another ¾ of an inch. All of that moving pushed my lower mount bracket towards the rear about a ¼ of an inch. The new setup come to the following: angle at full extension : 74º, angle at full compression 89º, total vertical axle travel : 5.25”, difference in length of shock travel from full extension to full compression : 2.25”. I found my flaw in figuring my rising rate % comes from mistakes in measurement across the arc. As I raise the axle vertically using the cardboard template, the error of margin is too great to get a true rising rate %. I was finding my numbers to “flatten” in mid arc then rise again at the end. My only figure is that the margin of error is killing that figure. I do know for a fact though that it is at a rising rate setup and it is setup at a progressive angle. Is that perfect? Well it is still a vintage bike, and I never plan to race it. I want to have some cornering fun on it, and I think it is far more capable now than before. I define that to be MY perfect! PJ, none of my comments were directed at you individually, I respect your opinion more than most on here! I know we all have our moments! It was not a deliberate pun, but can I claim it now! ;D
A pic may be worth a thousand words, but this proves that MS paint geometry cannot be applied to a photo and hold any weight!
Joe, thanks man. I will let you know if I need something in that range!
Biker-reject! Get’em out and get to wrenchin brother! But know that if your doing a mono, wear you big boy undies and carry your big guns cause the mob will attack!
I hope this puts this issue to rest so Eileen can move forward! She has a long way to go, and I am already getting impatient! Again I thank all of you; this is what makes a project great! I hope when it’s all said and done, Eileen is even close to some of the great builds I have seen here!
Cheers
Brandon
crazypj
Split personality, I fake being smart
Re: Come On Eileen!....MONO-PROGRESS!
I wouldn't mind even if they were, it got me thinking (thought I should shut up until I got more information ;D)
I just wish I knew how I could look at a pic taken at angle and 'know' something wasn't right? (intuitive engineering?)
I still do same thing with inspections, bikes just 'tell' me where to look for 'problem' ;D
Sounds like its going to be comfortable mid stroke where it needs to be and stiffen up when you start pushing it.
Very cool 8)
(that is NOT, innuendo even though it sounds like it)
PJ
tWistedWheelz said:
I wouldn't mind even if they were, it got me thinking
(thought I should shut up until I got more information ;D)I just wish I knew how I could look at a pic taken at angle and 'know' something wasn't right? (intuitive engineering?
)I still do same thing with inspections, bikes just 'tell' me where to look for 'problem' ;D
Sounds like its going to be comfortable mid stroke where it needs to be and stiffen up when you start pushing it.
Very cool 8)
(that is NOT, innuendo even though it sounds like it)
PJ
tWistedWheelz
BUILT NOT BOUGHT!
Re: Come On Eileen!....MONO-PROGRESS!
WOW! PJ, you just tought me a new word! I had to look it up and I consider myself to have a fairly extensive vocabulary!
innuendo: an indirect intimation about a person or thing, esp. of a disparaging or a derogatory nature
Very nice! I love learning ne words. I don't believe I have ever seen or heard this word used before now! Thanks!
Thanks for the support as well, I do believe it will be a very nice setup for sure!
WOW! PJ, you just tought me a new word! I had to look it up and I consider myself to have a fairly extensive vocabulary!
innuendo: an indirect intimation about a person or thing, esp. of a disparaging or a derogatory nature
Very nice! I love learning ne words. I don't believe I have ever seen or heard this word used before now! Thanks!
Thanks for the support as well, I do believe it will be a very nice setup for sure!
tWistedWheelz
BUILT NOT BOUGHT!
Re: Come On Eileen!....MONO-PROGRESS!
Yeah, in AL we gust learn how to WIN!
We don't need no fancy edjucation! ;D
motofiaccone said:Seriously? Come to TX to get educated
Yeah, in AL we gust learn how to WIN!
We don't need no fancy edjucation! ;D
