Electric-cycles...the next generation?
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Swapmeet Louie
Put some metal in yer eye....
Because it was posted months ago. AND ITS fucking DUMB!.... haha ( Says with huge smile laughing)
thats why.
Ok Edit: 4eyes beat me to it. Thanks you man. Anything but a new thread on that turd.
thats why.
Ok Edit: 4eyes beat me to it. Thanks you man. Anything but a new thread on that turd.
Skuzzrat
Been Around the Block
Great explanation Flatcurve, I wish I had the talent to explain chemistry to people without boring or confusing them.
I don't think electric vehicles are a wave of the future, in fact I don't think the energy that will power our future has been developed yet. Maybe the experiments with algae made fuel will result in something promising but electricity, hydrogen, ethanol etc aren't viable for the job.
I don't think electric vehicles are a wave of the future, in fact I don't think the energy that will power our future has been developed yet. Maybe the experiments with algae made fuel will result in something promising but electricity, hydrogen, ethanol etc aren't viable for the job.
Flugtechnik
My bike is not transportation, it is a respite
I heard unicorn farts are very combustible.
JPanichella
Been Around the Block
flatcurve said:
I'm using LiFePo4 on my bike. The batteries are extremely safe, extremely stable, and have a rated life of 3000 cycles. And there are services available for battery recycling of this particular chemistry.
We had a big hydrogen vs. electric power debate over at SOHC4, but I'm not at all a firm believer that hydrogen will be a reasonable power source for MANY years.
JPanichella
Been Around the Block
I've seen that bike before. They have a cool video of them building it.
http://vimeo.com/29307141
I'm in the process of building an electric bike, build thread is in cafe racers under big arse projects.
http://vimeo.com/29307141
I'm in the process of building an electric bike, build thread is in cafe racers under big arse projects.
Ethanol
Coast to Coast
I got to ride an electric bike last weekend. A friend brought it into the shop (my new shop!) and man it was fun as hell. He bought the 80 mile/charge version but it was delayed so they sent him a loaner bike free of charge. It's an Enertia http://www.brammo.com/empulse/ it was super torque-y and fun as hell to ride. The sport version should be a blast.
The fit and finish on it was really great too. I say the more the merrier!
The fit and finish on it was really great too. I say the more the merrier!
Basement rat
Over 1,000 Posts
Dude, I think up here, your aloud to claim losses for three years as a new business. That's not bad.
You just gotta sell shit like shirts and parts.
You just gotta sell shit like shirts and parts.
JPanichella
Been Around the Block
Ethanol said:
Cool! Was it the Enertia or the Empulse (you linked to the Empulse). I know they were holding off on the Empulse because they're working on a 6-speed transmission and wasn't sure if they were released yet. I hear the empulses are fun to ride, really light so you can throw them into corners.
Basement rat
Over 1,000 Posts
Next question, Life of battery and cost to replace?
JPanichella
Been Around the Block
Garage Rat said:
Depends on the chemistry of the pack. Lead acid isn't worth the cost of investment. It's heavy, suffers from capacity destroying Peukert Effect, and has a poor cycle life of between 200-300 real life cycles before they're useless.
The LiPo packs that some people use are for RC cars and planes, and they have extremely high energy density (very small and light), very high discharge rates (some up to 50C), but can be volatile and have known to um...catch fire or blow up if not treated properly and monitored very well. These are usually rated between 300-500 cycles. Maybe less.
LifePO4, which is the chemistry I have on my bike, are lighter and smaller than lead acid (about 1/3 the weight), but not as energy dense or high dishcarging as LiPo. But they're real advantage is the chemistry is EXTREMELY safe compared to LiPo and they're rated up to 80% capacity at 3000 cycles. If, on average, my pack gets around 50 miles per charge, that's 150,000 miles before the pack is at 80 percent capacity. This is assuming you don't make a habit of completely depleting them.
Basement rat
Over 1,000 Posts
More importantly, sold in Canada?
Would make a great commuter especially if you plug it in at work!
Would make a great commuter especially if you plug it in at work!
I love the notion of an electric motorcycle for commuting, and would seriously consider one. But, problem is I then still need another bike for riding out in the country, road trips etc. $10K or whatever is a ton of money to drop on a vehicle dedicated to commuting, on top of having to insure it etc. on top of a 2nd bike.
For the new rider living in the city who doesn't do road-trips, it's great. But once they start riding, they'll want to leave the city and go on long rides in the country... and then they need a 2nd bike.
If insurance was $50 a year maybe - but in Ontario we pay close to $1 / cc for basic liability only coverage ($550 for my XS650). Hard to think of spending $500 a year to insure a 2nd bike only for commuting, on top of the cost of the bike itself, there's just no savings anywhere. Better off with a Chevy Volt model - gas generator on board. Or just strap a Honda generator to the backside of the bike
For the new rider living in the city who doesn't do road-trips, it's great. But once they start riding, they'll want to leave the city and go on long rides in the country... and then they need a 2nd bike.
If insurance was $50 a year maybe - but in Ontario we pay close to $1 / cc for basic liability only coverage ($550 for my XS650). Hard to think of spending $500 a year to insure a 2nd bike only for commuting, on top of the cost of the bike itself, there's just no savings anywhere. Better off with a Chevy Volt model - gas generator on board. Or just strap a Honda generator to the backside of the bike
JPanichella
Been Around the Block
Tim said:I love the notion of an electric motorcycle for commuting, and would seriously consider one. But, problem is I then still need another bike for riding out in the country, road trips etc. $10K or whatever is a ton of money to drop on a vehicle dedicated to commuting, on top of having to insure it etc. on top of a 2nd bike.
For the new rider living in the city who doesn't do road-trips, it's great. But once they start riding, they'll want to leave the city and go on long rides in the country... and then they need a 2nd bike.
If insurance was $50 a year maybe - but in Ontario we pay close to $1 / cc for basic liability only coverage ($550 for my XS650). Hard to think of spending $500 a year to insure a 2nd bike only for commuting, on top of the cost of the bike itself, there's just no savings anywhere. Better off with a Chevy Volt model - gas generator on board. Or just strap a Honda generator to the backside of the bike
I agree entirely. Electric bikes right now make a really nice practical commuter bike and bike for running errands. I don't think electric bike enthusiasts would ever expect people to give up there gas bikes entirely (actually, most guys I know with an electric bike also have a gas bike for the long trips). But by the looks of folks around here, having more than one bike isn't unusual.
After I build my electric bike I want to get a smaller gas bike for the long trips.
