Engine backfiring after "Mikes XS Coil" upgrade.

jtaylor1148

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So I recently replaced, the coils with brand new ones from Mikes XS. But, now all the engine does after a few seconds on the starter will backfire. Spark in both cylinders, timed correctly. I noticed as I was wiring them the old coils the right one had two grounds, that grounded to the coil bracket. I did not see a ground on the wiring diagram for the new ones so I did not ground them. Also, I replaced the boots with some new NGK boots, I think 5K resistance. Could that be the problem? There is spark on both sides but it is faint, was wondering if that meant anything. Thanks for any help :)
 
Re: Engine backfiring after "Mikes XS Coil" upgrade.

They sound like they are grounded through the mounting point. Try removing them and sanding down to the frame metal where the coils mount. Spark should be strong with new coils.
 
Coils are grounded through the points....12V feed, then other wire to points. No external ground.....

More likely you mixed the coils up rewiring...I've done it.....
 

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Hmmmmm. + 1 on both points

There are only two sorts of ignition coils I know of on motorcycles (or anything else). In one, the coil must be grounded because the (-) side of the high voltage circuit connects there. In this type of coil (like a GM HEI for example) the high voltage secondary circuit is in no way connected to the low voltage charge and trigger side. So if not grounded, there will be no complete circuit, and no sparks.

In the other type, which if originally triggered by points is the type you have on the XS (assuming you have an XS), the coil itself does not need to be grounded. The High energy circuit is grounded through the condenser. In this scheme, the High voltage circuit does indeed piggy back on the (-) wire going from the (-) side of the coil to the points, however, when firing the spark, this circuit is completed through the condenser, not the points. The (+) 12V side of the coil is not in any way involved in this circuit, and the diagram is missleading. (no offense Mydlyf, I presume you did not author the diagram).

Assuming your XS originally came with points, and you are using the OEM replacements from Mikes (I have used these myself - Vastly superior to the original Yamaha parts), They do not need to be grounded as they do indeed ground through the condenser. Since you evidently are getting some spark, the problem would seem not to be with the coils but with the spark timing. Spark plug wires crossed or ground wires that go to the points (condensers) crossed, or you have got your timing way out for some reason unrelated to the coils. Boots are unlikely to be a problem unless you somehow don't have them installed the very obvious way, and am pretty sure the 5K resistance is proper for the OEM style coils. Just in case you have the Dyna copy high output coils (used these too) make sure you don't try to run the bike with the High Voltage spark leads disconnected or you can fry the coil.
 
Coil is only drawn like that so it's easier to understand. The primary and secondary windings are on top of each other (primary is wound on core then secondary is wound on top - or vice versa ;D )
It's also correct with a single ended coil, the plug would fire 'ground to center' if it was wired opposite (don't forget, electron 'flow' is opposite of battery 'polarity')
Oh, you also get a much better spark when secondary and primary are connected, that is probably an automotive coil?
I don't see the oil fill plug either ;)
5K resistor plug caps are only correct if used with resistor plugs, should be 8~10K with conventional plugs
 
Re: Engine backfiring after "Mikes XS Coil" upgrade.

That is an automotive coil. It is representative of point type, single fire coils. Talking about GM HEI systems is a different animal. If you look at Honda manual for the single fire coil, it is shown shown like that. The iron core is not grounded or does it need to be.
 
Are you 100% sure that the coil connections are on the appropriate coils? It is possible that the left coil is connected to the right side points.

Swap the connection at the coils and see what happens.
 
Teazer I haven't even thought about that. I should have considering I wasn't 100% in the first place. I'll let you know
 
Yep, you guys are some smartie pants. I wired them backwards. Funny thing is the New coils came with two wire leads, with one connector on each end. Since in the CB and CL 350 the wire from the condesor connects to the coil wire, then the same side points wire connects again to the same connector. So you need a 1 into 2 type connector. I soldered the old ones on from the new coils, but the colors of the wires threw me off, and I had the left points wire connected to the right coil essentially. Fixed it, and she started right up. Thanks guys :)
 
Re: Engine backfiring after "Mikes XS Coil" upgrade.

Make sure you label the wires now. You never know who else might have that issue if you decide to sell it.
 
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