Ever seen a chain do this?

CCRider

Coast to Coast
The chain for the XL250 I'm doing was really rusty, but I was able to get all the links freed up and working pretty smoothly so I thought I'd be able to use it. I gave it a muriatic acid bath, which did a great job of stripping the rust but also revealed this. Almost every link on the chain has one or more cracks radiating out from the pins. Anyone ever seen one like this or know what would have caused it?

 
chain is a good high tensile steal, rust makes it wanna crack
next time just get a new chain they aren't that 'spendsive
 
The pins are press fit into the outer plates. Muriatic acid embrittles the type of steel used to make chains. Press fit = stress. Brittle steel = no strength. My guess is you can break the chain by hand now, just flex it sideways.

In my younger days as a bicycle mechanic I spent an afternoon at a health club replacing chains on their equipment after a maintenance guy took a shortcut and used acid to clean all the chains...

Even without the cracks the pitting on those plates looks horrible.
 
DesmoDog said:
The pins are press fit into the outer plates. Muriatic acid embrittles the type of steel used to make chains. Press fit = stress. Brittle steel = no strength. My guess is you can break the chain by hand now, just flex it sideways.

In my younger days as a bicycle mechanic I spent an afternoon at a health club replacing chains on their equipment after a maintenance guy took a shortcut and used acid to clean all the chains...

Even without the cracks the pitting on those plates looks horrible.

I had an ink-ling that the acid had a bigger part innit,it is an interesting study in chemicals(lord noes I did meye share of chemical sampling back in the day :-\) and metallurgy
interesting side note you can sharpen files in an acid bath
 
Muriatic is awful for metal. I'm always pushing the phosphoric acid, and this one of the reasons why. Muriatic chemically alters the metal, where phosphoric acid chemically alters the rust. The reason HCl is used to pickle metal is it removes any rust scale before processing like cold rolling or extruding. Where muriatic is a solution of about 30% HCl, pickling acid is below 20%. In sculpture, we use a solution of muriatic (hydrochloric acid) and copper to quickly rust steel. You can also cause rusting in certain grades of stainless steel with HCl. Where HCl breaks metal down to ferric chloride and hydrogen, H3PO4 produce iron(III) phosphate which bonds to the metal surface and prevents further rusting.
 
this is why you gotta keep yer rod dry ;)

Hydrogen embrittlement is the process by which various metals, most importantly high-strength steel, become brittle and fracture following exposure to hydrogen. Hydrogen embrittlement is often the result of unintentional introduction of hydrogen into susceptible metals during forming or finishing operations and increases cracking in the material. This phenomenon was first described in 1875.[1]
Hydrogen embrittlement is also used to describe the formation of zirconium hydride and delayed hydride cracking. Use of the term in this context is common in the nuclear industry.

The mechanism starts with lone hydrogen atoms diffusing through the metal. At high[clarification needed] temperatures, the elevated solubility of hydrogen allows hydrogen to diffuse into the metal (or the hydrogen can diffuse in at a low temperature, assisted by a concentration gradient). When these hydrogen atoms re-combine in minuscule voids of the metal matrix to form hydrogen molecules, they create pressure from inside the cavity where they are located. This pressure can increase to levels where the metal has reduced ductility and tensile strength, up to the point where it cracks open (hydrogen induced cracking, or HIC). High-strength and low-alloy steels, nickel and titanium alloys are most susceptible. Austempered iron is also susceptible.[citation needed] Steel with an ultimate tensile strength of less than 1000 MPa (~145,000 psi) or hardness of less than 30 HRC are not generally considered susceptible to hydrogen embrittlement. Jewett et al.[2] reports the results of tensile tests carried out on several structural metals under high-pressure molecular hydrogen environment. These tests have shown that austenitic stainless steels, aluminum (including alloys), copper (including alloys, e.g. beryllium copper) are not susceptible to hydrogen embrittlement along with few other metals.[3] For example of a severe embrittlement measured by Jewett, the elongation at failure of 17-4PH precipitation hardened stainless steel was measured to drop from 17% to only 1.7% when smooth specimens were exposed to high-pressure hydrogen.
Hydrogen embrittlement can occur during various manufacturing operations or operational use - anywhere that the metal comes into contact with atomic or molecular hydrogen. Processes that can lead to this include cathodic protection, phosphating, pickling, and electroplating. A special case is arc welding, in which the hydrogen is released from moisture, such as in the coating of welding electrodes. To minimize this, special low-hydrogen electrodes are used for welding high-strength steels. Other mechanisms of introduction of hydrogen into metal are galvanic corrosion, chemical reactions of metal with acids, or with other chemicals (notably hydrogen sulfide in sulfide stress cracking, or SSC, a process of importance for the oil and gas industries).[4]
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Muriatic acid is just peachy for removing melted pistons from the surface of a barrel, but on anything else it is kiss of death.

I had to clean up a badly seized drag race motor a couple of nights ago using Muriatic acid applied with a cotton bud carefully to the aluminum that was deposited on the liner. If the piston pin had not broken free and gored the liner, it would have been fine with a light hone after that muriatic cleaning.
 
It's a very common problem with the type of steel used in drive chains
Several years ago Yamaha had a major 'recall' because the cheapskates shortened battery breather hose and acid vapor caused cracking and chain breakage.
It was 'fixed' by replacing the breather hose with a longer one and fitting a new chain
 
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