Father Son 75 CB200T Rise From the Ruins

crazypj said:
Two and a half inch inlet is huge, if you meant two megaphones one and a half inch inlets it's still real big.
Primary pipe for a 175 twin will only be about three quarters to seven eighths inch inside diameter to pull all the way to 12,500rpm
I'll have to check but I'm pretty sure I''m only using 1.875" (inch and seven eighths) inside diameter on my 378cc motor and that's on a two into one system (it's been finished over 3 yrs now so I forgot ;D )
What bike are you putting it on?
we are putting it on the 200cc now these aren't welded up yet and they were the smallest from Cone Engineerings catalog. Our current megaphones are 1.38" id.


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Crazypj will you take a look a this and tell me which one you think is best. I was trying to get the longest ones possible.
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They will probably be 1-3/8" ID.
You only really needed one and build a 2;1 system, with a 360 degree crank you will get better mid-range and top end won't really be affected
 
The one's you ordered will probably be best as they don't list a smaller inlet
175 likes the longest cones you can get on there, don't think the 200 will be any different.
They WILL act as amplifiers around 10~11,000rpm if things are working properly
If they are not welded you can probably compress them down to 1-3/8" or maybe a little smaller?
 
crazypj said:
They will probably be 1-3/8" ID.
You only really needed one and build a 2;1 system, with a 360 degree crank you will get better mid-range and top end won't really be affected
i didn't mention before that the catalog has them as 1 1/2" OD. We now have the short and long with different tapers. We also have a stock set from another cb200. We want to learn how the different pipes and tapers impact performance. Our plans are to test the duals and then build a two into one. We want to see if we can see the negative pulse on the dyno.


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We have 30 dyno runs so far and we will probably have that many more...some take their son to the batting cages we go to the dyno.


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crazypj said:
They will probably be 1-3/8" ID.
You only really needed one and build a 2;1 system, with a 360 degree crank you will get better mid-range and top end won't really be affected
this guy knows what he is doing ;)...is that a step in the primary or just a weld?
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Did Honda manufacture the step in the stock header for performance? Both the cb and cl header pipes have a step at about 19" and are constructed using a pipe within a pipe. The id of this first 19" is 29mm and after the step it goes to a single thin wall that is 31.5mm.


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We're going back a few posts here, but I just did the math and I think you're going to want about 7/8" or 1" diameter on the primary headers.
 
Sonreir said:
We're going back a few posts here, but I just did the math and I think you're going to want about 7/8" or 1" diameter on the primary headers.
that is what we came up with
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Sonreir said:
I got .89", but I was using 8000 RPM instead of 10,000, so that looks pretty good to me.
yours is more "actual" from what our Dyno data says for how this honda is making its power. But this is with a stock cam and we haven't let the little gal loose to breath freely...yet. 11.5 to 17.3whp isn't bad for this anemic cam. The velocity stacks alone made a .7 hp difference. Very curious to see what tuning the exhaust will do. Finally getting a grasp on what the wave tuning is and how scavenging works. Took a long time to wrap my head around it. The sound between the open pipe and the reverse cone was enlightening and then removing the baffle and opening up the reverse cone even more shed even more light for a visual picture for what the pressure waves are doing. I know Kop will laugh his arse off when he reads this. The problem I had with teachers in school is they wanted to tell me and not show me. But if you show me I get it. Zeke is the same way.


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If you get all the lengths and diameters right, it will probably make you ears bleed in a dyno cell when it comes 'on the pipe' (even with earmuffs ;) )
 
Honda just made the pipe dual wall up the point at which temperature had dropped enough to no longer blue the pipe. No wave tuning going on there I don't think.

And nothing like the sound of a bike coming on the cam and the pipe as revs rise. Our 175 sounds like those old TT sound Stories of the works Hondas back in the day. We don't rev that high, but it sounds similar. There's quite a change in exhaust note as it gets up there.
 
If the ID of the primary exhaust is dropping to 1" then wouldn't it pay to weld up the floor ?
 

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teazer said:
Honda just made the pipe dual wall up the point at which temperature had dropped enough to no longer blue the pipe. No wave tuning going on there I don't think.

And nothing like the sound of a bike coming on the cam and the pipe as revs rise. Our 175 sounds like those old TT sound Stories of the works Hondas back in the day. We don't rev that high, but it sounds similar. There's quite a change in exhaust note as it gets up there.
the rc163 replica with the cbr250r motor sure makes beautiful music.
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1sttimer said:
Followed that except for the 2240 figure. Where did that come from?


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my turn to be a Teazer... Three places to find out where it came from. How to build a functional cafe racer by Sonreir, a AG Bell's four stroke tuning (which took me kicking against the goad for 5 months before I picked up a copy), and David Vizards Porting book.


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teazer said:
Honda just made the pipe dual wall up the point at which temperature had dropped enough to no longer blue the pipe. No wave tuning going on there I don't think.

And nothing like the sound of a bike coming on the cam and the pipe as revs rise. Our 175 sounds like those old TT sound Stories of the works Hondas back in the day. We don't rev that high, but it sounds similar. There's quite a change in exhaust note as it gets up there.
what about doing steps in a dual exhaust? If you look at Johnnyb's old race bike he was running a 180 crank but it appears he has steps in his dual exhaust.
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