Father Son 75 CB200T Rise From the Ruins
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DohcBikes
Fuck You.
Your lack of understanding was also expected.Texasstar said:
Glad to know somebody cares.
P.S. Sounds like you've pre-judged me based on somebody else's experiences and had a preloaded response to a post that you obviously don't understand. Very classy.
Its called humor.
Don't worry I'll leave. I cant possibly comprehend this gibberish or help out in any way with engine tech so my apologies for breaking up the party.
Texasstar
Can't is a four letter dirty word
That is right I don't understand anybody using that word. What I won't do is not stand against it. Please inform me on how using that is in the least bit respectful? If y'all want to go piss on a fire hydrant to flex you intellectual muscles please do it elsewhere. My friend Crazypj has been a fire hydrant on many occasions in this thread and I won't put up with it. Merry Christmas.DohcBikes said:
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DohcBikes
Fuck You.
You CLEARLY do not come from where I come. Not everyone has to be like you.Texasstar said:
In my world I would have spelled it out. In your world I censored it. It still offended you.
Ever called somebody BRO? It's the EXACT SAME THING, as long as you're not a racist POS.
Times, they are a' changin'.
In 175 PAGES of thread, somebody is bound to get pissed on. Not that happened here in an capacity, but crazypj does just fine handling his business and he knows by now that I respect him. Jury is still out on you. Hard to respect somebody that thinks they are above you.
The post was directed towards my friend barnett whom I have been friends with for more than 2 years. Maybe you have heard of an inside joke? Don't know about you, but I don't let strangers tell me how to address my friends.
Sincerely,
Merry Christmas!!
DohcBikes
Fuck You.
I'd rather have him vouch for me. He has 10x the knowledge and experience I have.Texasstar said:I was told that you would vouch for Barnett468...bro
He's been known to be right, um well, even when he's wrong.
Just ask him. ;D
Never would I attempt to bring negativity here. I have had a great time following the stories of several of your bikes. Like barnett I am a tech junkie but to be honest I prefer reading it over writing it. Lots of hands on RandD in your threads and you are very complete with your descriptions of what is happening, that is why I am here. It is fun to watch you all learn. Especially PJ and Teazer :-X ;D :-X
Texasstar
Can't is a four letter dirty word
Merry Christmas!!! "Just ask him" now that is funny! Got to love a guy who is passionate even when he is right about being wrong!DohcBikes said:
Did you catch our R/D with the nylock on a brake stay? We won't use a nylock on a brake stay without safety wire ever again.
Zeke also left Lucky out the other day and his sister backed into her and knocked her over. Zeke said, "no problem I can fix her!" We have DTT and the whole motorcycle community to thank for that. We are grateful for all the advice, knowledge, and experience.
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barnett468
Coast to Coast
I'm sooo confused?
MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY HANUKAH and HARI KRISHNA
MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY HANUKAH and HARI KRISHNA
barnett468
Coast to Coast
Texasstar said:
The challenge is to try and convince the person that is right that they are actually the one who is wrong.
Texasstar said:Did you catch our R/D with the nylock on a brake stay? We won't use a nylock on a brake stay without safety wire ever again.
My experience is that nylok nuts are great for keeping the nut from falling off when it comes loose and thats about it.
I have no idea how your brake stay is set up but I can tell you that fine thread bolts hold their torque better and grade 8's can be torqued to a higher value which is what i often use whenever possible . . this includes engine mount bolts etc.
Also, the hardware store grade 5 bolts are typically "foreign" grade 3 or 2 bolts and the "foreign" grade 8's are around grade 6.5
In case you haven't seen these, you can get fixtures to drill holes in nuts and bolts.
barnett468
Coast to Coast
DohcBikes said:
FYI It's spelled y'all, I looked it up on Google . . You would just never make it as Texan hoomey...homie... ah whatever.
MERRY CHRISTMAS
barnett468
Coast to Coast
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Since you asked about both me and Harry Klemm, I thought you might find some of his background interesting so I posted some of it below . . Harry is actually a legend along with Dave Miller and he is subtly hilarious and I like him a lot . . One of his first big projects was to tune Rex Statens bike . . You can read that great story in the link below.
http://articles.superhunky.com/4/292
After that, he went to work for DG Performance building their race bikes and porting cylinders that customers sent in . . Dave Miller did similar for FMF and Warren Reid would weld the pipes for FMF at night to make some extra money.
Harry also worked with Kawasaki as an outside contractor on the Team Green Racing program which sponsored non pro riders in the AMA Amateur division which was really full of pro riders in the expert level classes whom were finally ready to make the switch to the Pro class which is what I was previously in . . He built the pipes and ported the cylinders for all the bikes, and Kawi won maybe 80% of the Championships in the mini class. due partially to him.
I did all the development work on the Tecate 3 wheelers and Harry ported cylinders and made pipes for them which I and some of the Team Green riders used for the Pro races . . After that He started doing more watercraft work and eventually moved to Lake Havasu where he know lives surrounded by scantily clad beauties year round...great move!.
I worked in the R and D department of Kawi and the motocross department was on the other side of the wall from me and Rob Muzzy was in charge of building the Road Race bikes, and he had these pointed Alligator boots and big handlebar moustache that cracked me up every time I saw him . . Our engine dyno was around 75 feet away from me when we were in the old building and he was dyno testing a racing engine one day and it vibrated so much it shook the concrete floor, and then, shortly after he pegged the throttle....it blew up, lol, after which I heard him mumbling some indistinguishable words and when he walked past my desk he looked unamused.
Anyway, every year, Team Green went to Ponca City Oklahoma and Loretta Lynn's Ranch in Hurricane Mills Tennessee with a bunch of their riders for the AMA Amateur Nationals, and they were short handed one year so they borrowed me to go along and help out . . Well we all met at the airport and Harry was there with his bag of tools and they asked him what was in it and he said it was tools he needed to do some work where we were going, so they asked to look in his bag and there were files and an air grinder and other nasty looking stuff, and they said...ummm, we can't possibly let you on with that, and this was around 5 minutes before the plane was ready to leave, so a few of us talked to them and my final comment to them was something like, "Do you really think he is going to start to disassemble the plane while we are flying?" and fortunately they finally relented.
Well, to make a very long story short because there were many of them on that trip, we got the rental cars and I and two other guys were with Harry and I let him drive for some odd reason and after we made a stop to stock up on "beverages" [because Loretta lives in a dry county], Harry decided to do a performance test with our 6 cylinder rental, so he put it in first gear and held it on the floor until it either hit the rev limiter or floated the valves and he left it there for a while as he made comments like "Wow, this is impressive, it hasn't blown up yet" while we were laughing so hard we couldn't talk.
...and one day Loretta's grounds keeper brought us some Moonshine.
...and one day we all went golfing and the course manager politely asked us to never, ever, come back.
Since you asked about both me and Harry Klemm, I thought you might find some of his background interesting so I posted some of it below . . Harry is actually a legend along with Dave Miller and he is subtly hilarious and I like him a lot . . One of his first big projects was to tune Rex Statens bike . . You can read that great story in the link below.
http://articles.superhunky.com/4/292
After that, he went to work for DG Performance building their race bikes and porting cylinders that customers sent in . . Dave Miller did similar for FMF and Warren Reid would weld the pipes for FMF at night to make some extra money.
Harry also worked with Kawasaki as an outside contractor on the Team Green Racing program which sponsored non pro riders in the AMA Amateur division which was really full of pro riders in the expert level classes whom were finally ready to make the switch to the Pro class which is what I was previously in . . He built the pipes and ported the cylinders for all the bikes, and Kawi won maybe 80% of the Championships in the mini class. due partially to him.
I did all the development work on the Tecate 3 wheelers and Harry ported cylinders and made pipes for them which I and some of the Team Green riders used for the Pro races . . After that He started doing more watercraft work and eventually moved to Lake Havasu where he know lives surrounded by scantily clad beauties year round...great move!.
I worked in the R and D department of Kawi and the motocross department was on the other side of the wall from me and Rob Muzzy was in charge of building the Road Race bikes, and he had these pointed Alligator boots and big handlebar moustache that cracked me up every time I saw him . . Our engine dyno was around 75 feet away from me when we were in the old building and he was dyno testing a racing engine one day and it vibrated so much it shook the concrete floor, and then, shortly after he pegged the throttle....it blew up, lol, after which I heard him mumbling some indistinguishable words and when he walked past my desk he looked unamused.
Anyway, every year, Team Green went to Ponca City Oklahoma and Loretta Lynn's Ranch in Hurricane Mills Tennessee with a bunch of their riders for the AMA Amateur Nationals, and they were short handed one year so they borrowed me to go along and help out . . Well we all met at the airport and Harry was there with his bag of tools and they asked him what was in it and he said it was tools he needed to do some work where we were going, so they asked to look in his bag and there were files and an air grinder and other nasty looking stuff, and they said...ummm, we can't possibly let you on with that, and this was around 5 minutes before the plane was ready to leave, so a few of us talked to them and my final comment to them was something like, "Do you really think he is going to start to disassemble the plane while we are flying?" and fortunately they finally relented.
Well, to make a very long story short because there were many of them on that trip, we got the rental cars and I and two other guys were with Harry and I let him drive for some odd reason and after we made a stop to stock up on "beverages" [because Loretta lives in a dry county], Harry decided to do a performance test with our 6 cylinder rental, so he put it in first gear and held it on the floor until it either hit the rev limiter or floated the valves and he left it there for a while as he made comments like "Wow, this is impressive, it hasn't blown up yet" while we were laughing so hard we couldn't talk.
...and one day Loretta's grounds keeper brought us some Moonshine.
...and one day we all went golfing and the course manager politely asked us to never, ever, come back.
Merry Christmas Tex and Zeke, looks like your thread has been threadjacked. There's a lot of data there and some of it is relevant. That Tungsten Disulphide reference was really interesting though. I'll have to check that out some more. I'll have to see if anyone is using it on two stroke cranks. I have sliver plated big end bearings on order and aluminum caged bearings to evaluate on the drag motor and WS2 might be another technology to look at.
BTW, CB160/175/200 cams rarely fail the way that a 360 does and that's because they are a different design. You can change them to needle roller bearings if you sleeve the cam ends and I have seen ball races used there too. I think we went through that a few dozen pages back. If you need pics of a 18-0 degree cam with needle roller cam towers, PM me. I still have a set here that we modified about 10 years ago.
Fuji nuts are a better solution than nyloc nuts but for mission critical parts that you absolutely cannot afford to lose when they come loose should be lockwired or use split (cotter) pin.
This thread has been a lot of fun to see both you and Zeke learning and not afraid to try some different approaches to problem solving. I may have to swing by your place for some welding lessons from Zeke.
BTW, CB160/175/200 cams rarely fail the way that a 360 does and that's because they are a different design. You can change them to needle roller bearings if you sleeve the cam ends and I have seen ball races used there too. I think we went through that a few dozen pages back. If you need pics of a 18-0 degree cam with needle roller cam towers, PM me. I still have a set here that we modified about 10 years ago.
Fuji nuts are a better solution than nyloc nuts but for mission critical parts that you absolutely cannot afford to lose when they come loose should be lockwired or use split (cotter) pin.
This thread has been a lot of fun to see both you and Zeke learning and not afraid to try some different approaches to problem solving. I may have to swing by your place for some welding lessons from Zeke.
barnett468
Coast to Coast
teazer said:
ok, I'm confused, who jacked his thread?
MERRY CHRISTMAS
Texasstar
Can't is a four letter dirty word
Merry Christmas! Zeke says he would be honored for you to stop by. You are always welcome to visit. We would really enjoy pics of the needle bearings. I have attached a picture of the head on our bench with the ball bearing conversion.teazer said:
We were out riding today to take advantage of this beautiful weather for it looks like we are finally going to get some winter weather. Some of our neighbor kids got some new motorcycles for Christmas so good cheer and many smiles were in the neighborhood today. Zeke took a break from welding to get Lucky back in fine form after the issues we had with her hanging up in gear at the Barber Vintage Festival.
Wish you well! Godspeed and more speed!
Can anyone look more ridiculous on a motorcycle? I don't think Lucky cares. Too much fun...
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barnett468
Coast to Coast
teazer said:Confused? Say it's not so.
That's ok, it wouldn't be the first time and I'm guessing it won't be the last.
teazer said:
No prob, hope it helps someone . . I only posted it because I didn't see it mentioned in the 50 pages I have read so far, lol. . . Plus Texasstar seems to me to be the type of person that likes tech stuff and isn't afraid to try different things, so I thought it might interest him . . I also read that he seized a cam bearing on one of his bikes and the Tungsten would likely totally eliminate bearing problems even if no oiling mods were done providing one used good oil and kept it clean etc.
teazer said:
I don't know if they can put it on needle bearings but irregardless, you could definitely put it on the crank pin.
Swaincoat also applies it as well as thermal barriers etc but he mixes his with Moly and applies it much thicker, so I seriously doubt he is using the impinged method and is likely using a binder for it to adhere, which isn't a problem on pistons because all the piston mfg's do the same thing and it holds up fine if good oil is used, but as I mentioned, it's definitely not the method one wants to have on a cam and rockers etc.
As far as finding info on the internet from people that have used it, you won't come up with much but you will see some info if you Google "Micro Blue" and it is the same product and similar application technique . . I just happen to know about it and other coatings from things I have been involved in before.
Another coating that can be impinged is Moly which is extremely similar and another is DLC aka Diamond like Carbon but it requires a base, therefore, it goes on a little thicker than the Tungsten . . It too is popular and is used by some Formula 1 guys on cams and trannies . . It is harder than the Tungsten but it does not hold he oil quite as well and it has a 3 to 5 times higher CF factor, however, that's not a big deal since its CF is fairly low anyway.
The smoother the piece these materials are applied to, the lower the CF will be.
There are some shifter kart pros using it on their 2 stroke pistons and trannies, but they're not telling anyone about it.
DLC USE IN FORMULA 1
https://www.highpowermedia.com/blog/3957/developing-a-dlc-coating-for-formula-one-transmissions
DLC USE IN PRODUCTION CARS
http://www.hefusa.net/industry-relevant-news.html
TUNGSTEN DISULFIDE APPLICATORS
http://www.appliedtungstenite.com/html/contact.html
http://amscoatings.com/
SWAINCOAT
http://swaintech.com/
APPROXIMATE COST AT APPLIED TUNGSTENITE
$150.00 minimum but they will squeeze in a lot of small parts in with a few bigger parts like camshafts and bearings for that price . . They are very user friendly.
12" LONG CAMSHAFT ........................... $25.00
UP TO 3" DIAMETER BALL BEARINGS ....... $5.00 each
