FiberGlass Tank Resins

sharperdill

Been Around the Block
What resins are you using to build your fiberglass tanks? Modern day fuels contain alcohol (and other additives) but, alcohol is the main culprit that deteriorates the standard resins in fiberglass tanks. So far what I have found is a vinyl ester resin. This stuff is supposed to be resistant to many chemicals and superior to polyester or epoxy resins when it comes to fuels.

I don't have a problem with liquid tank coatings on fiberglass tanks but, I don't hold faith in them being a great fix.

Does anyone have experience with this vinyl ester resin in fiberglass/composite fuel tanks? What resins are recommended and maybe where to get them?
 
from my research and asking around, vinylester is the way to go. its what ill be using in my build as well. i will be doing vinyl ester, then following up with caswell plating tank sealer. that seems to be the best you can do.

then theres the route of putting a plastic tank inside a standard fiberglass mold that looks like youd want it to. aka a dummy tank.
 
So long as your buildup is good, line it with phenolic epoxy and you'll be golden!
 
Swagger said:
So long as your buildup is good, line it with phenolic epoxy and you'll be golden!

Yep. That's what I did on Gretta's tank. That stuff is thick and freakin durable! I've been wearing it on the toe of my Chuck Taylor's for months now, and it shows no sign of going away!!!!
 
I'd probably shy away from anything in the vinyl/polyester family, seems anyone who has been building tanks for consumption doesn't use that stuff and only uses epoxy, and I'm not counting the el-cheapo tanks on ebay or wherever. For the extra $30 a gallon a good west epoxy system will cost, I think it's worth it.
 
I built my tank - http://dotheton.com/index.php?topic=6339.0 - with West Systems Epoxy. It's had gas in it now for about 8 months with no problems.

CC
 
Rocan said:
from my research and asking around, vinylester is the way to go. its what ill be using in my build as well. i will be doing vinyl ester, then following up with caswell plating tank sealer. that seems to be the best you can do.

then theres the route of putting a plastic tank inside a standard fiberglass mold that looks like youd want it to. aka a dummy tank.


This is along the lines I was thinking. Vinylester is cheaper but, that is just a perk. I really wasnt looking at the price of the resin but, more at its resistance to modern day pump gas.

rockcitycafe said:
I'd probably shy away from anything in the vinyl/polyester family, seems anyone who has been building tanks for consumption doesn't use that stuff and only uses epoxy, and I'm not counting the el-cheapo tanks on ebay or wherever. For the extra $30 a gallon a good west epoxy system will cost, I think it's worth it.

I'm curious about this system, Link me please.
 
west is available through uscomposites.com, or many other fiberglass suppliers, it's made by gugeon[sp] bros., who specialize in craft boat building, another option is ptm&w, out of new jersey, who do resin systems for kit aircraft... as far as tanks go, I like to use epoxy systems that people trust their lives to
 
Vinylester resin used to be the preferred resin for aircraft gas tanks and I understand from a marine repair specialist that it is still the resin of choice for offshore boat tanks (the built-in ones). Granted, the chemistry of marine and aviation gasoline is a lot different than skanky pump gas, so this may not be a valid comparison and a lot of aircraft and boats also use diesel and Jet A fuel as well.
Regarding epoxy resins, I would check with your resin supplier and tell him exactly what you are using the resin for - ie, building a gas tank. He may be able to find the most suitable resin for your needs from his sources.
Regardless of the resin used to build the tank, there are a couple of things you could do to enhance the fuel resistance. One is already mentioned: put a coat of Caswell novus phenolic epoxy resin tank liner in it just before "marryup" (according to Caswell's chemist, with a new vinylester tank, you have a max 7 days after layup before you should do the scuff and solvent thing) and then pour another load in the tank to seal the bond line afterwards.
Another item that was always recommended to me by my composite materials supplier but I rarely see it mentioned is the use of "veil" on the inside of the tank as the final ply. It builds a resin-rich inner face of the tank. However, it shouldn't extend into the bond line - if it does, do a brutal solvent wipe / scuff / solvent wipe to remove it before bonding.
I was involved in a Lancair 4P project and subsequently a 2 place carbon fiber jet. In both cases, the specified fuel tank sealant was from Jeffco - of the novus phenolic modified epoxy family as I recall.
Take precautions with all of this stuff - especially epoxies. I just finished repairing a customer's 'glass tank and in spite of my best efforts, I have about a 2 inch circle of contact dermititus to contend with.
Hope this helps - or maybe just confuses the issue even further? Myself, I use derakane vinylester resin with a coat of Caswell before marryup.
Pat Cowan,
Pacomotorstuff
 
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