Finally chose a bike...

AndrewDoesHair

Been Around the Block
Hi. Total n00b here, I admittedly have had cafe racers brought to my attention by the recent bandwagon excursion. A quick two seconds about myself, and how I got the bike bug, if you don't mind.

I started out as a punk kid who didn't want to do his school work. Ended up working on my '57 Chevy all day instead. The little bit of school that I did enjoy was drafting, mechanical engineering, etc.
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After dropping out of high school, I realized that hair cutters could make a living without a high school diploma, so I ended up on a path to do just that.
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And then a few years later, I started working with wood, and making guitars from scratch. I don't know why, it just seemed fun...
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The guitars have given me a lot of experience with finishes, both nitrocellulose and polyurethane/polyacrylic. I've wet sanded and buffed until the wee hours of the night. I can't wait to get a tank and helmet into my paint booth.

Through woodworking I learned some principles that have really stuck with me. Buy the best, and cry once. A $10 saw that goes dull after one project will cost 10 times as much as a $50 saw of the same type that goes dull after 50 projects. Then I found this to be true for clothing; $50 jeans that last a year cost twice as much as $100 jeans that last 4 years... So with a mind that craves mechanics, design, and is always seeking a balance of art and function, coupled with the mindset to seek the highest quality in all purchases, I fell in love with cafe racers, and the entire culture, after being introduced to it by a friend who has been collecting (building, modifying, selling, trading, obsessing over) bikes for 40+ years... The idea that he still wears a leather jacket that he bought 40 years ago just makes me crazy- THAT is quality. And as I've been looking at Schott, Lewis, and other leathers, I am smitten by the goals of these companies- quality, durability, tradition, etc.

I haven't gotten a bike yet, but the search is on. I hope to find something stock, and to learn as much as I can from this friend, as he has promised to help me fabricate parts, and work on, replace, or rebuild anything that needs it. Here's a pic of me being a dork in his workshop
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And here is one of the gems that is buried in his barn.
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So I have to admit, it's intimidating to get into a new hobby like this. I hope not to offend anyone with my n00bishness. I'll try to search everything I can before I ask questions. Thanks, everyone!
 
Re: Mechanics + art + quality x tradition= Where do I sign up?!

Welcome aboard. Always room for more craftsmen (and women).
 
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Sonreir said:
Welcome aboard. Always room for more craftsmen (and women).

Your signature is awesome. I'm borrowing some of those quotes for some inspiration.
 
Re: Mechanics + art + quality x tradition= Where do I sign up?!

You'll find that working with your hands holds a synchronicity across the board no matter what the project is. It's the desire to create that matters, not the experience inside of the genre. The things that you admire are in and of themselves admirable. Hold true to the thought that you are doing it for the love of the experience and amazing things will happen. Welcome aboard.
 
Re: Mechanics + art + quality x tradition= Where do I sign up?!

Kanticoy,you have a way with words like no other. I totally agree with Kanticoy. Stick to whats in your heart and vision and go for it. If others don't like it,its their problem. Anything you build with your own two hands is admirable and inspirational. Some people don't get it,but I hope you will.
 
Re: Mechanics + art + quality x tradition= Where do I sign up?!

Cool back story you have there Andrew. I have always wanted to make a guitar from scratch, but I'm not known for my precision. Too many details around the neck for my taste.
 
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AndrewDoesHair said:
Your signature is awesome. I'm borrowing some of those quotes for some inspiration.

Good stuff. :)

I've got one more for you:
“Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Hardy

I have it on my mind because a friend recently had it framed for me. I just hung it up in the shop a few days ago.
 
Re: Mechanics + art + quality x tradition= Where do I sign up?!

Thanks all. I look forward to posting my project. I have two bikes I'm lookin at in the next few days (1980 Suzuki 750, and 1982 Honda Nighthawk 750). I'd like to get an earlier bike, but these two are low enough in price that I'll still have plenty of cash left for working on it.
 
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Sonreir said:
Good stuff. :)

I've got one more for you:
“Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Hardy

I learnt this recently, too. My hair business was maxed out, I couldn't be any busier, and I wanted more income. So I asked advice from an acquaintance who makes $200k per year cutting hair. I bought him dinner and literally brought a notebook with me. His advice was basically what you just said. At that point I was doing a little bit of each type of hair; men's, women's, color, whatever. He said to take the one one I'm best at and put my effort into only doing that. He said to learn everything I could about it, and specialize in it. In doing so, I improved at something I had previously thought I couldn't. A women's cut was earning me $45 an hour at that time, but after I quit them and only offered men's cuts (or very short women's cuts) I was soon so busy with them that I had to raise my prices to keep appointments available in a realistic amount of time. Now I do 3 men's haircuts per hour at $30 a piece. That is not to try to brag about my income (after my costs, and taxes, I don't make all that much at all) but its a real-life example of the benefits of the mindset described in your quote. I literally doubled my income at the same job just by trimming the fat off of the services I offered. That really is a good quote.
 
Re: Mechanics + art + quality x tradition= Where do I sign up?!

Hey, CrescentSon, do you know how the hipster burned his mouth?


He sipped his coffee before it was cool.
 
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No doubt you will succeed in making a nice bike. It seems as though the Nighthawk would be a bit harder to turn into a cafe bike. I was considering buying my friend's 83 and going the bobber route, but decided to go with an 83 Suzuki GS650 and will make it a mix between cafe and brat.

I look forward to your build!
 
Re: Mechanics + art + quality x tradition= Where do I sign up?!

Welcome to DTT man. You probobly have just about the best attitude possible when diving into a project like a cafe racer. Keep our mind, ears and eyes open and you'll be just fine. Having your buddy helping out will he a massive step in the right direction. Keep us posted on your progress!

Where are you located by the way? I'm almost due for a proper trim. :)
 
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Also... No need to call yourself a "noob". DTT isn't really the kind of place where terms like that get thrown around. You may be new to this, but so was everyone here at some point. Even those old bastards you'll run into here that have been doing it longer than most members have been alive! Haha... Just build what you want. Build it safe, and build it to haul ass. If you stick to what makes you smile during the build, you'll be a-ok.
 
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Welcome aboard Andrew. I second everything the guys have said and those are some rad guitar builds! I used to make telecaster bodies in high school and sell them on Ebay for extra cash. I really thought I was into wood working.....then I bought a bike :)
 
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Talking to the seller of this 1980 Suzuki GS750L
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and two sellers of these (one's black and one's blue) 1982 Honda Nighthawk 750
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All three bikes have an asking price of about $1,200, which would leave me with about $700 in my budget to cover registration, repairs, and mods. My bike mentor can't make it out to look at any of them with me until at least wednesday night (leaving me to stew, sleepless, in my bike lust until then), and he SWEARS to me that I'll be happier with the Honda, over the Suzuki, although I think the Suzuki looks 50 times cooler. He says the nighthawk will build into a cafe style just as easily as the Suzuki, but he say's it'll run better and just be a nicer bike overall... We'll see about that... Worst case scenario, I buy the bike, try my best to make it look cool, keep saving, then sell it and put the cash toward a 1975 CB750... I mean, I've showed the guy countless pictures of bikes that I like, but he keeps pointing me toward bikes that look like something my step dad would ride in a full upright position, wearing cutoff jean shorts and Oakley blade sunglasses...

"Yeah, I swear, there is a cool cafe racer under all that. You want to get a deal, right?"
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Of course I'm just being impatient and a smart ass. I do appreciate his advice...
 
Re: Mechanics + art + quality x tradition= Where do I sign up?!

Well... it's certainly not as nimble as your other two choices, but a Goldwing can be done in style... don't doubt it.

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Re: Mechanics + art + quality x tradition= Where do I sign up?!

Craftsmanship is craftsmanship, no matter the hobby or career. As with writing (my not-yet-paying day job), research is more important than action. Like the carpenter says, "measure twice, cut once." Make a plan, and execute said plan and you will come out miles ahead. Of course, looking at your guitar projects, you probably already know this.

So welcome to the club. I'm fairly new here myself, but like you I've taken an interesting journey through life to arrive at my current waypoint. While I did graduate high school (not that I didn't do my best not to), it has taken me nearly twenty-five years to find my niche. The most interesting thing is, it's been the "bad stuff" that has done me the most good. So pick a heading on the compass and catch the wind, the future lies on the horizon!

Where are you located? From the pictures you've posted I am guessing someplace like Florida?

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
 
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The GSX Suzuki is a really understressed engine (16 valve motor, screw adjust tappets)
Looks better in 80's super bike style
The Honda is a development of 1970's CB500f, frame isn't too radical so may be easier to modify?
 
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I'm in Corona, Ca. It's 20 minutes east of Disneyland, 45 minutes or so from Los Angeles. Th Fender guitar factory is a mile from my house, and I do haircuts for a lot of their factory employees and some of their custom shop employees. About 2 years ago I interviewed with the manager in the custom shop, but I suppose I wasn't what they were looking for at the time. And I was convinced fate wanted me to be a guitar maker at that time. I'm finding that a bike in the city will fetch a lot more than the same bike in the middle of nowhere- every deal I've found has been an hour out into the middle of nowhere. I think I'm going to log that into the "lessons learnt" bank.
 
Re: Mechanics + art + quality x tradition= Where do I sign up?!

Don't mind Swivel, he's the resident curmudgeon. He does have a point as it comes to the L-series bikes. The frames will be hard to make into a good Cafe style bike.

The Suzuki 8 and 16 valve engines are as durable as time itself, though the all-roller 8 valve motors are even more durable than that.

The later CB's (DOHC) are, as he points out, big, wallowing pigs. I'm sure they can be made to handle, but they're as large as a GS1000 or 1100, but with less power.

I'm no expert on them, but I understand the all-roller Kawasaki fours to be very reliable too (should be anyway, their what Suzuki copied to make theirs).

I'm currently building an old KZ twin (KZ750). Their only issue is the starter sprag, but electronic ignition should put that to rest (it's the backfires that kill the sprag). They're pretty cheap too (bought a running bike for some $300), so they might be something to look at if you want a twin.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
 
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