Front brakes dont "feel" right...

kowalski

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Hello everybody! I have a '72 CB750, with a complete '77 Cb750 supersport front, and a '04 CBR RR master cylinder. I have steel braided lines, I've bled and bled the system, finally got some feel out of the lever, but it still feels pretty soft. I can still pull the lever till it touches the throttle fairly easily. Any thoughts?
 
What happens is that air is trapped in the line. You can try to bleed it, but you are trying to push air down to the caliper, but the bubbles keep rising to the top. They settle right at the banjo bolt at the master cylinder. You can crack the banjo bolt and bleed it a little right there to burp those bubbles out. Use a paper tower to absorb any fluid that comes out, because as you know, it is death to paint.

Another method that often works well is to pull the brake lever back as far as you can, and tie it there with a bungie for a few minutes. That pushes the bubbles down the line, then they float back up. Then, release the brake lever, and they are pulled into the master cylinder reservoir. Wiggle the brake lever a few times to work the bubbles out, then do the whole thing again. A couple or three times of doing that should clear all the bubbles.

I use a vacuum device for bleeding brakes that sucks the fluid down through the caliper fast enough that it purges all the bubbles. Another method that works really well is reverse bleeding. You can use a pump type oil can, (scrupulously clean, NO oil,) to pump brake fluid into the brake system from the bottom up.
 
what is the bore size of the master?
search for the ratio chart that is on vintage brakes site.
* http://www.vintagebrake.com/mastercylinder.htm
the ratio between the master and calipers is important to get the brakes to actually work.
A "modern" master might sound like and upgrade but if its the wrong size its a down grade.
Im running a CBRF3 master with my V65 calipers on my 78 forks.
Here is the write up for a nice caliper upgrade to really improve braking
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=89771.0
 
Yeah, I did blindly think late model sport bike mater cylinder would be an upgrade just because of that. I'll have to find the bore stroke ratio for the CBR master and see if its too small for my set up. Everything worked out well for the rear tho, I'm using a RC51 rear master w/ 77-78 rear caliper, and it feels great.
 
its not bore vs stroke
its bore of the master vs the piston size/number in the calipers

I have no idea what the bore is of the CBR6rr, it should be cast on the side.
but its a good place to start to know if the parts will even work.
 
I think it's all ok. The CBR brake lever is adjustable, and I had it set on 5, which puts the lever closet to grip, which in turn left me with a shorter pull. i adjusted it back to 2, and now I can't even pinch between the lever and throttle. once the rest of the bike is done I'll take it on a short ride down the block and see how it all feels. Thanks for the quick replies, and the help!
 
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