Gas Tank Strength Standard

whitexk

Been Around the Block
DTT BOTM WINNER
Hey guys I know this is pretty technical but I was wondering if anyone knows what the strength standard for gas tanks are. I am in the process of milling out the masters out of foam but, I didn't know if anyone would know this or not. I have done a little research and came up with nothing.
 
ummmm.....how about hard enough you can't dent it when you sit on it, but it will dent if you hit it with a hammer or drop it?

No?

Ok, I'll admit I don't know...I just build 'em and try it! ;D
 
It is okay I found some info on it from the dot and some race specs. I just want to make it to proper standards, so that buyers will be happy with a top notch product.
 
Here is a link to FIM
http://www.fim-live.com/en/doc/6400/sechash/ddf0c273/g/gf/?fr=

Page 48, These are motogp standards. If it is good enough for Motogp it is good enough for the streets.

Here is WSBK:

FIM WSBK:

2.4.10.9 Fuel tank
Material of construction of the fuel tank may be altered or replaced from those
fitted to the homologated motorcycle.
All fuel tanks must be filled with fire retardant material, or be fitted with a fuel
cell bladder.
Fuel tanks made of composite materials (carbon fibre, aramid fibre, glass fibre,
etc.) must have passed the FIM Standards for fuel tanks or be lined with a fuel
cell bladder.
Tanks made of composite material must bear the label certifying conformity with
FIM Fuel Tank Test Standards. Fuel tanks without a fuel cell bladder must bear a
label certifying conformity with FIM Fuel Tank Test Standards.
Such labels must include the fuel tank manufacturer’s name, date of tank
manufacture, and name of testing laboratory.
S B K
70
Each manufacturer is requested to inform the FIM/CCR Secretariat of its fuel
tank model(s) which have passed the FIM test standards, together with a copy
of the fuel tank label. Full details of the FIM Fuel Tank Test Standards and
Procedures are available from the FIM (See ‘Fuel Tank Test Standards’ below).
Fuel cell bladders must conform to or exceed the specification FIM/FCB-2005.
Full details of this standard are available from the FIM
The fuel tank must be fixed to the frame from the front and the rear with a crashproof
assembly system. Bajonet style couplings cannot be used, nor may the
tank be fixed to any parts of the streamlining (fairing) or any plastic part. The
Technical Director has the right to refuse a motorcycle if he is of the opinion that
the fuel tank fixation is not safe.
The original tank may be modified to achieve the maximum capacity of 24litres,
provided the original profile is as homologated.
A cross over line between each side of the tank is allowed (maximum inside
diameter 10 mm).
Fuel tanks with tank breather pipes must be fitted with non-return valves which
discharge into a catch tank with a minimum volume of 250 cc made of a suitable
material.
Fuel tank filler caps may be altered or replaced from those fitted to the
homologated motorcycle, and when closed, must be leak proof. Additionally,
they must be secured to prevent accidental opening at any time.
The same size fuel tank used in practice must be used during the entire event.
Fuel tank homologation
1. Any fuel tanks, made of non ferrous materials (with the exception of
aluminium) must be tested according to the test procedure prescribed by
the FIM.
2. Each manufacturer is responsible for testing its own fuel tank model(s) and
will certify that the fuel tank exceeds the FIM test standard, if it has passed
the FIM test procedure for fuel tanks.
S B K
71
3. Each manufacturer must affix a quality and test label on each fuel tank type
that is produced for competition use. This quality and test label will be the
recognition of a fuel tank model which has passed the FIM test procedure.
4. All fuel tanks that are made to the same design, dimensions, number of
fibre layers, grade of fibre, percentage of resin, etc, must be identified with
the same quality and test label.
5. The quality and test label will include the following information on each
label affixed to each fuel tank : name of the fuel tank manufacturer, date of
fabrication, code or part number, name of testing laboratory, fuel capacity.
6. Each manufacturer is requested to inform the FIM/CCR Secretariat of its
fuel tank model(s) which have passed the FIM test procedure, with a copy
of the quality and test label, according to point 5.
7. Only fuel tanks that have passed the FIM test procedure will be accepted.
 
Regarding gas tank strength, probably depends where and to whom you're planning on selling the things.
When I looked at building motorcycle gas tanks for sale here in Canada about 5 years ago, I searched long and hard for any specs, finding among other things if I remember correctly, there were no motorcycle gas tank requirements at all in Canada until 2006 and then they were piggybacked on the specs for snowmobile gas tanks or some such. As I recollect, pretty thorough and detailed requirements.
The issue with a composite (fiberglass, kevlar, carbon fiber, hemp, whatever) tank, aside from potential resin deterioration from alcohol and other oxygenators commonly used in gasoline these days unless you choose the correct resin(s) and (maybe) tank coatings, is to design the tank to have the ability to resist a concentrated penetration / point load.
We looked at something we nicknamed "twin skin", which was basically a fiberglass outer shell, an impact absorbing layer and then the inner tank. As you can imagine, not cheap to manufacture and the prototype was pretty heavy to boot.
I've built a number of tanks but don't anymore - they all worked fine but I got totally paranoid in this increasingly "sue you" world about potential legal issues from someone who misused the product. As I understand it, those little waivers you see on a lot of websites that say "for racing use only" or "user accepts risk of using this product" will slow down the legal team of Dewey Dickem and How about a millionth of a second before the lawsuits start flying.
What we've been looking at is tank covers, trying to find one or two shapes that would fit over a number of different tanks.
Things to think about.
Regards,
Pat Cowan,
Vintage Motorcycle Fiberglass
 
16 ga steel is commonly used for gas tanks, but thinner 18 ga is OK, too. I wouldn't go any thinner than that, besides, welding thinner steel requires more skill.
 
Alphadog, Thank you but I am working on a Composite engineering degree so mine would be made from composite. But some of the polyurethane foam I have could be used for a tool press, that is how dense some of this stuff is (100lbs per cubic foot)

Pacomotorstuff,
Thank you very much for all the great info, what I am looking for is the "resist a concentrated penetration/point load"?
Do you have any numbers that you could share. I plan on using a mix of aramid glass and fiber glass, with an epoxy resin. I noticed some tank sealers are made from Epoxy. This bladder they are talking about, is it a coating, and additional inside bladder. I know Motogp tanks just have and aluminum gas tank, and the air box all under a tank shaped hood.
 
Back
Top Bottom