Hønen & Ræven customs - Ayrton Senna customer build

mathiask said:
Calling it half assed is rude and totally uncalled for. There could be a variety of reasons to do it this way. Time and money could be those reasons. If theres no budget, dont do it. Simple as that. As long as the customer knows the downsides of a tight budget it is fine

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No, it is totally called for. The customer is paying them to build a bike under the assumption that they are capable of that. To neglect the most commonly made safety problem when it is so easy to fix is exactly that, half-assed. Insufficient rear tyre clearance is down right dangerous. It is as simple as that.
 
He already "addressed" this issue, or at least he has a plan for it.


Mekai said:
Stiffer spring and a smaller tyre height.
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Do any of you guys know what actually happens when a rear wheel hits a low seatpan? The answer is "not much".


If the rear wheel is under compression and hits something, the result is that the wheel will want to slow down and therefore move the weight bias forward (like when you are braking). Once this happens the wheel starts to move again and we're back to normal.



It's different for a front wheel though - those guys that put on oversize Flintstone tires and slam the forks down so the tire can either rub on the headers or the bottom triple are asking for big trouble there. Once the tire touches under braking it will tend to lock and keep the weight of the bike moving forward to keep it locked.


I'm not condoning or OK'ing bad design, but it's not all fiery death if the rear tire rubs on a seatpan.
 
hillsy said:
Do any of you guys know what actually happens when a rear wheel hits a low seatpan? The answer is "not much".


If the rear wheel is under compression and hits something, the result is that the wheel will want to slow down and therefore move the weight bias forward (like when you are braking). Once this happens the wheel starts to move again and we're back to normal.



It's different for a front wheel though - those guys that put on oversize Flintstone tires and slam the forks down so the tire can either rub on the headers or the bottom triple are asking for big trouble there. Once the tire touches under braking it will tend to lock and keep the weight of the bike moving forward to keep it locked.


I'm not condoning or OK'ing bad design, but it's not all fiery death if the rear tire rubs on a seatpan.
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Happened to me once on the rear wheel, didn't die.
 
Holy hell... some people need to lighten up. Yes the tire clearance is an issue, but it's not life or death (as pointed out). Yea it's unsafe, so is half the things people do to customize bikes, not to mention just RIDING a bike is unsafe. Yet the safety police shows up every time someone customizes in a way that is "unacceptable". Yea it's for a client, but here's a thought; maybe the client specifically asked for that.
 
Looking forward to see the end result. Is the bike right from Germany! I see it has Danish plate... Not sure "synshallen" will approve the modifications to the frame but I guess you know that.

Keep up the good work
Per (near Kolding)
 
I'd say 'lighten up' and 'motorcycle safety' do not belong in the same sentence, especially coming from someone who works as a designer at an OEM company.

Yes, there are other commonly sought out designs/mods which may or may not inherently carry more risk, such as ballooning tyres, but just because there are worse things to do, it doesn't mean that what has been done isn't wrong.

I don't know about you, but if I was paying someone to design/build a bike for me, I certainly wouldn't like them to have taken any shortcuts and introduced risks into the design.

To call people 'safety police' when people are just enlightening others to problems and correct ways of remedying them is downright stupid, especially on a public forum.

Anyway, I would hate for this to turn into another bashing thread, and I guess It was brought around by me and 'he-who-shall-not-be-named' originally commenting on the issue, but it is clear after this time that we are all just waiting for updates on this build and this issue shouldn't be talked to death without OP.
 
You seem to be confusing the term "enlightening" with "bullying into". Saying things like "hope to see it fixed", "or you could build it right", Seriously doubt they are paying you to half ass it, do it right", or that being rude is "totally called for" is basically bullying them into doing it they way you think is best. Sounds an awful lot like safety police to me. Have some respect for them, let build what they want.

I've taken enough of a detour on this thread, I won't derail it anymore. Love the bike guys, can't wait to see how it turns out :)
 
BazookaFiero said:
You seem to be confusing the term "enlightening" with "bullying into". Saying things like "hope to see it fixed", "or you could build it right", Seriously doubt they are paying you to half ass it, do it right", or that being rude is "totally called for" is basically bullying them into doing it they way you think is best. Sounds an awful lot like safety police to me. Have some respect for them, let build what they want.

I've taken enough of a detour on this thread, I won't derail it anymore. Love the bike guys, can't wait to see how it turns out :)
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The guy that said most of that shit got banned anyway.


Carry on :)
 
BazookaFiero said:
You seem to be confusing the term "enlightening" with "bullying into". Saying things like "hope to see it fixed", "or you could build it right", Seriously doubt they are paying you to half ass it, do it right", or that being rude is "totally called for" is basically bullying them into doing it they way you think is best. Sounds an awful lot like safety police to me. Have some respect for them, let build what they want.

I've taken enough of a detour on this thread, I won't derail it anymore. Love the bike guys, can't wait to see how it turns out :)
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It's not like that. First, the issue was brought up with no "bullying". The "hope to see it fixed" part, means that he hoped the OP addressed the issue the way it's supposed to be. Not the way "he expects/wants to", its just the right thing to do.

Then, OP answered with the best solution for his mistake. Heavier springs on shocks, and lower profile rubber on the rear.

If you think that it's right to mod a bike to look good meaning it could possibly throw the rider off balance in certain bump, it's not the way a bike must be designed. It may not hurt anyone, that does not mean it can't. Taking this lightly is taking your life lightly. This is like grinding wearing flip-flops, or operating a lathe with a tie on your neck. Take that lightly then.

I think the way of thinking of the "safety police" here is the correct way of thinking.

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Anyways...
 
I may be stupid but where do you see this famous clearance issue? Between the rear tire and the seatpan? Or have the post shown pics that are deleted now?

Anyway, the original poster may got tired of all the negative comments, he has not signed in since April 25
 
Yep, first post shows the clearance between the rear tyre and the seatpan. The upswept hoop is in the wrong place for its purpose.

I would say that no comments in this thread have been 'negative', as all have been about a specific issue and with advice in mind, seeing as OP mentioned himself it was their first build.
 
Love the Senna colors! Your chain looks a little tight and a fork brace will help the handling significantly. Quick turn around on the build. I guess that's what happens when you don't spend that extra hour posting on here every day.
 
Nice build!

I would't be surprised if the OP felt un welcome here, geese what a bunch of sour dudes that comment. So happy one of them ended up getting banned.

The issue could have been brought up like this:

'Wow, neat build guys. I would be a little concerned with the frame loop and the tyre clearance you might lack from the looks of the photos. Is this something you have thought about addressing? Just concerned for your safety is all.'

To which the builders legitimate reposnse was 'smaller tyre and stiffer springs'.

But no, some assholes had rip right into them and use belittling language.

Really, really don't understand why people have to be assholes just because they 'know it all' and sit behind a computer screen. 9 times outa 10, that same person would not say those things in that way to the persons face.

Anyway, I too would like to see a final update and perhaps a context shot of a happy customer riding his new bike??? ;D 8)
 
Nice job and good you keep posting despite the negative spirit this took a while back.

It looks like you used the passenger peg mounts for the rearset, that's about the longest way back I have seen footpegs on a street bike, could be nice to get a pic on a person riding. It must look like a ´50 racer ;)
 
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