Is it just me or are Cafe Racers just....
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rays650cafe
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My brat is a 650, your cafe is a 400. Not really sure what you mean by Go....Nebr_Rex said:
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lstuckey1
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Leon, I understand where you're coming from. In 1985 I bought a 600 ninja and it was the only "sportbike" in the town where I lived. As a few more people bought them I knew each and every one and felt that we were of a kindred spirit. Jump ahead 10 years and every tank top wearing backward ball cap poser had a crotch rocket and I lost interest. Like you, I didn't even look at them anymore.
I guess that the cafe racer thing appeals to me because it is a simpler more hands on kind of motorcycling. As I get older I enjoy the challenge of points and carburetors instead of the technological nightmares that the bikes of today have become.
Yeah, there are more cafe racers around now but even the most common looking ones are more unique than the 140 hp cookie cutter under your average 18 year old. The best chance they have at originality is the latest titanium slip-on canister.
Maybe I'll feel differently in a few years but for now I'll just enjoy the new friends I've made through riding vintage bikes. After all, I know practically everyone in town who rides one.
I guess that the cafe racer thing appeals to me because it is a simpler more hands on kind of motorcycling. As I get older I enjoy the challenge of points and carburetors instead of the technological nightmares that the bikes of today have become.
Yeah, there are more cafe racers around now but even the most common looking ones are more unique than the 140 hp cookie cutter under your average 18 year old. The best chance they have at originality is the latest titanium slip-on canister.
Maybe I'll feel differently in a few years but for now I'll just enjoy the new friends I've made through riding vintage bikes. After all, I know practically everyone in town who rides one.
VonYinzer said:*EDITED...
Some terribly unnecessary douchbaggery needed to be removed...
Awww... nuts.
I hear ya Noel. It's only new or cutting edge for a little while. Pretty soon it's mainstream. I bought a cafe racer t-shirt in Marshall's on holidays in Florida.
Truth is, for me, I don't care. I loved these bikes back when they were new. I rode a '74 h2b in '77. I traded it in on my '77 KZ1000 that I still have today.
Don't get me wrong. I love sport bikes of today as well! I've read about, drooled over, wished I could buy, just about every new machine made since '77.
The process of the build is fun. I can't leave it "stock" very long. I can't even leave the project "finished" very long! Gotta keep tinkering. I put "my stamp" on everything. Bicycles, cars, trucks, boats, bikes... doesn't matter.
The results are personally gratifying. If others like it... that's cool. If they don't... meh. I like what I like. I build it for me.
As others have already said, it's really all about getting "out there" and riding. Cafe, bobber, chop, brat, cruiser, sportbike, scooter... whatever.
When I'm out there, what I'm "on" kinda disappears after awhile.
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Oh ya.
There are POSERS in pretty much ANY genre you care to mention.
Moa
Been Around the Block
I didn't know the cafe racer style was so big in North America. Down in NZ they're a rare sight indeed, just look at how quiet our local board is. My little CB125 may not stand out next to some of the beautiful machines on this site, but it gets loads of comments from onlookers, and that's a nice feeling. Not that I built it to try be different, the cafe racer style just appealed to me. I love classic and vintage bikes, and as others have said, it's a timeless style, that's fun to work on and ride.
RoadRash
Coast to Coast
Yeah, many cafes out there look about identical. Part of the reason is that people are using the same or similar off-the-shelf parts. People see things they like on a bike and go out, find where they can buy it, and install it. Not the most original route, but I'm not gonna judge them for that. Not all of us have access to milling machines, lathes, presses, etc.. I know MY facilities are limited, but I try to fab as much as I can, because I get a nice sense of accomplishment, plus I'm normally broke as hell! That's the foundation of the cafe movement: Take what you have and build it yourself, right?
I'm not thrilled in the least that you can now go to some place like Marshall's or whatever big box store and buy some "cafe" shirt, but that's what happens. Things catch on, it becomes a trend, and some clueless fuck capitalizes on it to make a buck. Hopefully, over time, the whole fad aspect dies down and with it will go the trend-followers, leaving the true core audience. Who among us will be here when the dust settles?
I'm not thrilled in the least that you can now go to some place like Marshall's or whatever big box store and buy some "cafe" shirt, but that's what happens. Things catch on, it becomes a trend, and some clueless fuck capitalizes on it to make a buck. Hopefully, over time, the whole fad aspect dies down and with it will go the trend-followers, leaving the true core audience. Who among us will be here when the dust settles?
Hmmmm .............. in 1960 whatever who'd have thought that my [ and my mates ] fitting an alloy tank, different engine, clip-ons. clip ons and race seat to whatever fell into my hands would one day be seen as "worthy of contempt" [ familiarity breeds contempt ].
Seriously [ or was I being serious ? ] some things are worth perpetuating - whether it be by the originators or contemporaries who see the worth in the original efforts and want to be part of that.
I'm SURE there will be hanger's on [ hipsters ?? - 2 countries seperated by a common language ] - but then there were in the day. In the main, these were the "bought not built" brigade.
Believe me, in the day we dismissed others who simply went to whatever goodies emporium and bought all the parts to "build" their bike as a kit. Let's all buy Dunstall tank / seat sets .... and create what ? A Dunstall lookalike ?
As the genre evolved it naturally had fixed paramaters of equipment - but within that you still had scope to make your bike "different".
No matter how "unique" you felt your bike was - you still had to buy a tank, buy silencers, buy clip-ons, etc.,etc. We're not kidding ourselves that we scratch built a bike - most of us didn't have the necessary diversity of skills.
I went to a Classic motorcycle show recently where there were literally dozens of Manx Nortons .. did that make them any the less desirable ? In the grand scheme of things where there are thousands of factory clones - the amount of Cafe Racers in this World, is by comparison - minute.
No matter HOW many XS650s, Tritons, Tribsas, Hondas are built, MOST will be subtly different [ OK apart from Carpenter and Docs homages ] - it's these details that show the originality of the builder.
I look at all these bikes to see just how a the builder has approached a particular problem - has he done it different to the way I would do it, is it better, neater, more practical - or can I feel smug and say it's not as good as my solution !! 8)
As most know - I'm building my swansong 60's style Cafe Racer - I hope it will encompass all my accumulated 55+ years knowledge to end up with something I'm proud to call "mine". AND it will have a 5 gall [ 6 gall style ] tank, a race seat, rear sets, clip-ons, wire spokes alloy rimmed wheels-and a Grimeca 4LS brake hub - which there was NO way I could afford in the sixties. AND a 7" Lucas style headlamp, twin Rev counter / speedo - and a Gold Star special replica silencer. AND it will be FO Red / Gold / Polished alloy.
Perhaps I should change the name from "Vindicator" [ look it up ] to - "Old Contemptible" . ;D
Blinkered in my views ? Well until I tripped over this forum I would admit I was. Seeing all the other interpretations I decided I wanted to have a go at something non 60's styled. Ok, so I've looked at yet another old style - Boardtrackers - for my inspiration, but it's a step in the right direction.
Then there is my Streetfighter based on a BMW K100 - can't be many of them around ?
Seriously [ or was I being serious ? ] some things are worth perpetuating - whether it be by the originators or contemporaries who see the worth in the original efforts and want to be part of that.
I'm SURE there will be hanger's on [ hipsters ?? - 2 countries seperated by a common language ] - but then there were in the day. In the main, these were the "bought not built" brigade.
Believe me, in the day we dismissed others who simply went to whatever goodies emporium and bought all the parts to "build" their bike as a kit. Let's all buy Dunstall tank / seat sets .... and create what ? A Dunstall lookalike ?
As the genre evolved it naturally had fixed paramaters of equipment - but within that you still had scope to make your bike "different".
No matter how "unique" you felt your bike was - you still had to buy a tank, buy silencers, buy clip-ons, etc.,etc. We're not kidding ourselves that we scratch built a bike - most of us didn't have the necessary diversity of skills.
I went to a Classic motorcycle show recently where there were literally dozens of Manx Nortons .. did that make them any the less desirable ? In the grand scheme of things where there are thousands of factory clones - the amount of Cafe Racers in this World, is by comparison - minute.
No matter HOW many XS650s, Tritons, Tribsas, Hondas are built, MOST will be subtly different [ OK apart from Carpenter and Docs homages ] - it's these details that show the originality of the builder.
I look at all these bikes to see just how a the builder has approached a particular problem - has he done it different to the way I would do it, is it better, neater, more practical - or can I feel smug and say it's not as good as my solution !! 8)
As most know - I'm building my swansong 60's style Cafe Racer - I hope it will encompass all my accumulated 55+ years knowledge to end up with something I'm proud to call "mine". AND it will have a 5 gall [ 6 gall style ] tank, a race seat, rear sets, clip-ons, wire spokes alloy rimmed wheels-and a Grimeca 4LS brake hub - which there was NO way I could afford in the sixties. AND a 7" Lucas style headlamp, twin Rev counter / speedo - and a Gold Star special replica silencer. AND it will be FO Red / Gold / Polished alloy.
Perhaps I should change the name from "Vindicator" [ look it up ] to - "Old Contemptible" . ;D
Blinkered in my views ? Well until I tripped over this forum I would admit I was. Seeing all the other interpretations I decided I wanted to have a go at something non 60's styled. Ok, so I've looked at yet another old style - Boardtrackers - for my inspiration, but it's a step in the right direction.
Then there is my Streetfighter based on a BMW K100 - can't be many of them around ?
veloracermike
Coast to Coast
Look everything is a trend, even when it starts. BTW if any of you mutts wear plaid shirts and bootcut jeans and under the age of 50 you are poseurs and ripping off a trend from 1973.
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I love to ride! always have. I've been on a cruiser for the last several years and then something great happened... I got the first bike I ever had tagged, back. A 81cm400. Now, thats not not what anyone would call a "great bike" for any cafe build but being a hardhead I tried anyway. I didn't want that stock look or feel. The first thing I did was paint the tank and side panels, I had never used pro paint sprayers before, it still had the can job on it I had put on years ago. That was fun and I plan to paint it again. I added drag bars, cut my own cables down to fit, added new 2-into-1 exhaust, removed all kinds of wire and switches, signals and such and had a great time with it. I really don't care if it looks like someone else's bike, thats not why I do it. I do it for fun. So what someone else discovered that drag bars put a rider down lower to reduce wind drag, does that mean I shouldn't use them? If thats the case, should I have square wheels? Where do you stop? The point is, this whole process is, for me, fun. I really take pride in what I have learned and managed to accomplish on a low or no budget. I tinker with it almost every day.
I had forgotten how much fun a small bike is to ride and how much my cruiser felt like an easy chair. I actually feel the sting of bugs now. I no longer have to wear my "fit in with the hip crowd" uniform of black leather, I often wear a pair of shorts and sneakers. This whole cafe experience is, to me, about real freedom. The thrill of going as fast as I can on a bike that I worked on, that I made happen. The sound of my engine, being able to feel every little bump in the road, the wind making my eyes water. I wish everybody could have this!
Its easy to forget these things..... I did
I had forgotten how much fun a small bike is to ride and how much my cruiser felt like an easy chair. I actually feel the sting of bugs now. I no longer have to wear my "fit in with the hip crowd" uniform of black leather, I often wear a pair of shorts and sneakers. This whole cafe experience is, to me, about real freedom. The thrill of going as fast as I can on a bike that I worked on, that I made happen. The sound of my engine, being able to feel every little bump in the road, the wind making my eyes water. I wish everybody could have this!
Its easy to forget these things..... I did
Cafe racers are common on the internet. Not on the road.
Either way, I don't see a problem with people seeing something they like and building something like it or identical to it. The genre began because of people inspired by the originals.
The fact is, no cafe racer is the same. They may have the same tank and the same seat. That doesn't mean they have the same style headlight, bars, grips, rear sets, ect. Go talk to some knuckle head who owns a GSXR 1000 or R1. They change 2-3 things on the bike and call it modded out and say its not stock anymore.
What is with people throwing the word poser right and left? I don't wear plaid shirts and boot cut jeans and I'm less than half the age of 50. But I'm pretty sure YOU didn't start that fashion. Someone else did and you jumped in line (like the so called posers). What is with people thinking they are trend starters?
Either way, I don't see a problem with people seeing something they like and building something like it or identical to it. The genre began because of people inspired by the originals.
The fact is, no cafe racer is the same. They may have the same tank and the same seat. That doesn't mean they have the same style headlight, bars, grips, rear sets, ect. Go talk to some knuckle head who owns a GSXR 1000 or R1. They change 2-3 things on the bike and call it modded out and say its not stock anymore.
What is with people throwing the word poser right and left? I don't wear plaid shirts and boot cut jeans and I'm less than half the age of 50. But I'm pretty sure YOU didn't start that fashion. Someone else did and you jumped in line (like the so called posers). What is with people thinking they are trend starters?
I've read and re-read the original post as it sort of bothered me. Particularly the part about sameness and the "decline of the once unique cafe racer". It made me think back to the 60s when Paul Dunstall was churning out his bikes that all were identical and Chuck doing the same with Triumphs and nobody thought of decline or sameness. As the genre is Cafe a certain amount of sameness has to be there.
The other thing that had me thinking about then and now was "speed limits". Back in the 60s in Ireland, England and most of Europe there were no speed limits once you were outside the towns and cities. Or as Ireland and England so quaintly referred to towns as "built up areas". The best sign to see was a white circle with a black line around the perimeter. The indicator that you were free to fly. For me it was the best reason to build a cafe. You couldn't be done for speeding but in certain cases you could be done for "driving without due care and consideration" A more serious charge but required a greater burden of proof. I have very fond memories of being able to lay down on the tank and wring it out without fear of being nabbed by the law.
Fast forward to today. Speed limits everywhere and the cops have a much greater ability to nab you. Plus 600 and liter bikes render traditional cafes a joke. By the way back then we would have killed for a current 600 no matter what brand. Thinking about it Mike Hailwood would have killed for one of them too! Before I wander too far today's cafes are a fashion that can be enjoyed for what they are. Guys are building "traditional" hot rods. Flathead powered etc. By current standards they are slow but they are enjoyed and loved by their owners. Build your cafe (even if it looks like the next) and ride it. Enjoy it. Change it as you think it needs to be changed.
Sad speed limits had to be introduced. This would be a total waste today.
The other thing that had me thinking about then and now was "speed limits". Back in the 60s in Ireland, England and most of Europe there were no speed limits once you were outside the towns and cities. Or as Ireland and England so quaintly referred to towns as "built up areas". The best sign to see was a white circle with a black line around the perimeter. The indicator that you were free to fly. For me it was the best reason to build a cafe. You couldn't be done for speeding but in certain cases you could be done for "driving without due care and consideration" A more serious charge but required a greater burden of proof. I have very fond memories of being able to lay down on the tank and wring it out without fear of being nabbed by the law.
Fast forward to today. Speed limits everywhere and the cops have a much greater ability to nab you. Plus 600 and liter bikes render traditional cafes a joke. By the way back then we would have killed for a current 600 no matter what brand. Thinking about it Mike Hailwood would have killed for one of them too! Before I wander too far today's cafes are a fashion that can be enjoyed for what they are. Guys are building "traditional" hot rods. Flathead powered etc. By current standards they are slow but they are enjoyed and loved by their owners. Build your cafe (even if it looks like the next) and ride it. Enjoy it. Change it as you think it needs to be changed.
Sad speed limits had to be introduced. This would be a total waste today.
Not much to add, as hoof has hit the nail on the head, of course most cafe's look the same, move too far from the parameters and it no longer looks like a classic cafe racer, the original riders in the 50's and 60's aspired to the fastest and best equipped bikes available, if we were to follow their example we would be riding tricked out GSXR's etc. For me it's the classic cafe racer look that is important, if speed was a genuine issue I would be riding a CBR not a thirty year old airhead. As for more people jumping on the bandwagon, great, the more the merrier, I would rather see lines of cafe racers at bike rallies than the faux Americana that is so entrenched in the British and European bike scene, a couple of years down the line you can guarantee the Japs will be bringing out their own versions.
Hoof - forget 600's - some of today's crop of 125 and 250s are quicker than anything I built / owned in the day !! :- Virtually all of the current sports 400cc + machines certainly are faster and quicker. Even my old Honda CB400 Four [ only bike bought brand new in 1976 ] was almost as fast [ 108 mph ] and certainly quicker.
Current Moto 3s [ 250cc single ] at Aragon this weekend - a whisker under 150 mph.
However, the point [ "the de-restricted areas" ] is that everything is relative. In the early 1960's there weren't many factory bikes [ 650cc ] capable of an honest Ton +. Almost impossible for a 350cc and a stretch for most 500s. But as Hoof says - as soon as your bike was built , it was off in search of that black and white roundel !
Whatever your starting point the aim was to improve the performance and the image of your machine.
That's whether you started with a Bantam or a Bonnie.
To most of us that meant taking a cooking machine and tuning the engine - usually cams, balance, HC pistons and blueprinting - also add twin carbs if it originally had one [ not singles obviously ].
Obviously the larger the capacity to begin with, the more chance you had of breaking the Ton. Also there was the choice of engine. Triumph, BSA and Norton twins were quick [ relatively ] in standard form and had a good factory backing for competition parts [ and later - independant tuning firms ] for bits you just couldn't make / modify. Off the shelf "Big-Bore" kits just weren't around until the late 60's.
The other way to improve performance was to add lightness - throw bits away, alloy / grp tanks, single seat, etc. It wasn't rocket science and we followed a well trodden patch. That doesn't mean we all had to march in the same step though ! It DID mean that all bikes had a similar overall basic look. And because the most popular bikes were also to be found on the race tracks [ BSA / Norton especially ], there were loads of secondhand parts / engines available for knock down prices. Some fortunates like Hoof - took a complete Race bike and put it on the road. !! And I'm sure THAT didn't stay factory stock for long !
Strangely, aerodynamics [ as in fairings ] were generally ignored. That may have helped a 95mph cooking BSA 650 to achieve an honest "Ton", but that was one race track item that in the main didn't make it onto Cafe Racers.
As mentioned several times - money [ or lack of it ! ] was a big issue in the early 60's and lead to many home grown alternates when it came to rear-sets, engine plates and so on. Most of us didn't have the skill or facilities to make clip-ons, seats, tanks - and in reality they were relatively inexpensive. I was lucky and traded my engine building skills [ and fledgling painting ] for machine work and engine plates, special brackets and especially welding ! As a 'frinstance - a blueprinted T100 engine rebuild for a pal - including fitting performance items supplied by him - netted a set of Tribsa engine plates [ made from Ford's finest alloy stock :], rear sets, an alloy central oil tank and a 2LS conversion to my Goldie front brake. Fair trade.
None of us here are advocating knocking the movement [ are we ? 8) ] - whether it was the pure Cafe Racers of the 60's [ I think we all accept that's where it started ? ] or later developments, we're all in favour - otherwise I guess we wouldn't be here reading / posting our views. BUT - as in the day "WE'RE ALL DIFFERENT PEOPLE".
It always was and always will be the diversity of our hobby that prompts us to say "wow, that's fantastic" - or "yuk, don't like that". Like most things in life that aren't in Black or White - it's subjective and long may it be so.
Current Moto 3s [ 250cc single ] at Aragon this weekend - a whisker under 150 mph.
However, the point [ "the de-restricted areas" ] is that everything is relative. In the early 1960's there weren't many factory bikes [ 650cc ] capable of an honest Ton +. Almost impossible for a 350cc and a stretch for most 500s. But as Hoof says - as soon as your bike was built , it was off in search of that black and white roundel !
Whatever your starting point the aim was to improve the performance and the image of your machine.
That's whether you started with a Bantam or a Bonnie.
To most of us that meant taking a cooking machine and tuning the engine - usually cams, balance, HC pistons and blueprinting - also add twin carbs if it originally had one [ not singles obviously ].
Obviously the larger the capacity to begin with, the more chance you had of breaking the Ton. Also there was the choice of engine. Triumph, BSA and Norton twins were quick [ relatively ] in standard form and had a good factory backing for competition parts [ and later - independant tuning firms ] for bits you just couldn't make / modify. Off the shelf "Big-Bore" kits just weren't around until the late 60's.
The other way to improve performance was to add lightness - throw bits away, alloy / grp tanks, single seat, etc. It wasn't rocket science and we followed a well trodden patch. That doesn't mean we all had to march in the same step though ! It DID mean that all bikes had a similar overall basic look. And because the most popular bikes were also to be found on the race tracks [ BSA / Norton especially ], there were loads of secondhand parts / engines available for knock down prices. Some fortunates like Hoof - took a complete Race bike and put it on the road. !! And I'm sure THAT didn't stay factory stock for long !
Strangely, aerodynamics [ as in fairings ] were generally ignored. That may have helped a 95mph cooking BSA 650 to achieve an honest "Ton", but that was one race track item that in the main didn't make it onto Cafe Racers.
As mentioned several times - money [ or lack of it ! ] was a big issue in the early 60's and lead to many home grown alternates when it came to rear-sets, engine plates and so on. Most of us didn't have the skill or facilities to make clip-ons, seats, tanks - and in reality they were relatively inexpensive. I was lucky and traded my engine building skills [ and fledgling painting ] for machine work and engine plates, special brackets and especially welding ! As a 'frinstance - a blueprinted T100 engine rebuild for a pal - including fitting performance items supplied by him - netted a set of Tribsa engine plates [ made from Ford's finest alloy stock :
], rear sets, an alloy central oil tank and a 2LS conversion to my Goldie front brake. Fair trade.None of us here are advocating knocking the movement [ are we ? 8) ] - whether it was the pure Cafe Racers of the 60's [ I think we all accept that's where it started ? ] or later developments, we're all in favour - otherwise I guess we wouldn't be here reading / posting our views. BUT - as in the day "WE'RE ALL DIFFERENT PEOPLE".
It always was and always will be the diversity of our hobby that prompts us to say "wow, that's fantastic" - or "yuk, don't like that". Like most things in life that aren't in Black or White - it's subjective and long may it be so.
Drewski said:Ya... whatever.
Buy it.
Build it.
Like it.
Ride it.
Forget what others ride or pose on. They don't matter. If they do matter to you, I think it might be you that has the problem.
My opinion, fwiw.
quoted for truth. all I want is a bike that I turned every nut and bolt, welded every tube, and pieced together entirely myself. If some kid wants to buy something that looks like mine, that has absolutely no bearing on my experience. people who get offended at the "image" being "stolen" or "cheapened" really need to look in the mirror if such a trivial concern is an issue worth posting about.
tsbigdog
Been Around the Block
stogz said:
I have to agree especially depending on where you live. Where I live, I can tell you that I haven't seen a Cafe on the road around here EVER! All the guys around here ride big dollar choppers, harleys or sport bikes. You're even hard pressed to see an occasional stock brit bike. I kind of like the idea of having something unique when I'm done.
danejurrous
Been Around the Block
I am fairly new to the Cafe "scene" I guess you could say and even though I am a "newb" here I have been riding motorcycles since I was a little kid so I am not new in that aspect. I may be overstepping my bounds but this is only my $.02. I have read through this thread thinking "what does it matter?" and several valid points have been made on both sides. I guess you could say that with my 750 build I will be adding to the overall de-individualization of the cafe racer since I am currently in the process of adding one more bike under that genre, although here in my city I have maybe seen 2-3 this year running around.
I would guess there are more in some areas than others but what does it matter? I understand that having something that was once considered unique that is lost to a mass of people looses its flair per say although does it really loose the thrill of WOT through some twisties on your local back road or are you looking for just another show bike? Not going to lie I want something that someone would look at and say "Damn! Check out that bike, well done!" but that is only because it's nice to have your work admired. EVERYONE wants their work admired on some level or another. Just because there are others out there does not make me personally want to ditch what I have worked hard on and spend a decent amount of my sweat on. I plan on having several types of bikes, currently have my sport/tourer and my cafe build that will be worked over this winter but I also want to build a Bobber once that is done and probably a tracker after that.
Does that make me a poser since I want to have several types of bikes or because I do not fit one specific genre? Who cares.
I don't know/care if I would be considered a rocker, mod, prep or poser. I look for the thrill of having enough money to fuel my tank to get me through the next knee dragging turn. I am simply a motorcycle enthusiast.
I would guess there are more in some areas than others but what does it matter? I understand that having something that was once considered unique that is lost to a mass of people looses its flair per say although does it really loose the thrill of WOT through some twisties on your local back road or are you looking for just another show bike? Not going to lie I want something that someone would look at and say "Damn! Check out that bike, well done!" but that is only because it's nice to have your work admired. EVERYONE wants their work admired on some level or another. Just because there are others out there does not make me personally want to ditch what I have worked hard on and spend a decent amount of my sweat on. I plan on having several types of bikes, currently have my sport/tourer and my cafe build that will be worked over this winter but I also want to build a Bobber once that is done and probably a tracker after that.
Does that make me a poser since I want to have several types of bikes or because I do not fit one specific genre? Who cares.
I don't know/care if I would be considered a rocker, mod, prep or poser. I look for the thrill of having enough money to fuel my tank to get me through the next knee dragging turn. I am simply a motorcycle enthusiast.
