750k8kev
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Very cool short film about Adam at Liberty Vintage. liberty video
Liberty Vinatge video
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RustyOlive
Been Around the Block
top shelf.. =)
lockard666
Keep 'er 'tween tha ditches!
amen to that!
I clap my hands to that...
I grew up around tools, fixing stuff, doing it yourself. I cant agree with Adam more. the majority of kids in my school cannot even use a hammer properly. If my dream of designing and building my own bikes ever takes off, you can sure as hell bet they will be american designed, built, and made. I honestly don't have a ton of american pride, but i feel that the youth here need to learn what work is, and realize something other then instant gratification.
I don't even bother telling people I encounter the amount of work that went into my bike. it simply goes over their heads. They simply cannot understand doing one thing, for hundreds of hours, without having something to show for it. yet.
I grew up around tools, fixing stuff, doing it yourself. I cant agree with Adam more. the majority of kids in my school cannot even use a hammer properly. If my dream of designing and building my own bikes ever takes off, you can sure as hell bet they will be american designed, built, and made. I honestly don't have a ton of american pride, but i feel that the youth here need to learn what work is, and realize something other then instant gratification.
I don't even bother telling people I encounter the amount of work that went into my bike. it simply goes over their heads. They simply cannot understand doing one thing, for hundreds of hours, without having something to show for it. yet.
not to mention how many students these days who will be out of a job because of the lack of manual labor available to them.
I know many kids who will never be able to work a desk job, but I'm sure if you taught them to use a lathe, turn a wrench, run a smooth weld, heck; properly mow a lawn- then their lives would turn out a lot better then if they strived to do something which simply didn't fit them.
my father never went to college. He can't tell you 100 theories that youll never use. he can't find the area of a circle given the radius....
but what he can do is THINK. he can take a pile of wood and assemble it into anything you want, and he doesn't need a computer or instructions to tell him how. and you know what? He may spend his days taking out trash, and fixing everything that people break, but he does damn good.... and his 4am alarm has provided him with two children who will graduate college, and who will happily tell people that their parents were not doctors, were not lawyers, were not CEO's, but did damn well for themselves despite their average Joe jobs.
I know many kids who will never be able to work a desk job, but I'm sure if you taught them to use a lathe, turn a wrench, run a smooth weld, heck; properly mow a lawn- then their lives would turn out a lot better then if they strived to do something which simply didn't fit them.
my father never went to college. He can't tell you 100 theories that youll never use. he can't find the area of a circle given the radius....
but what he can do is THINK. he can take a pile of wood and assemble it into anything you want, and he doesn't need a computer or instructions to tell him how. and you know what? He may spend his days taking out trash, and fixing everything that people break, but he does damn good.... and his 4am alarm has provided him with two children who will graduate college, and who will happily tell people that their parents were not doctors, were not lawyers, were not CEO's, but did damn well for themselves despite their average Joe jobs.
cyclefreak
Over 1,000 Posts
Rocan, I know what you mean. There is nothing in this world I would exchange for not only all the stuff I learned from my Dad, but also the time spent with him.
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NortonGuy
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Colleges are a waste of time. They might have been worthwhile once, but now they are corporate institutions for suckers, taking their money putting them into debt for years and training them to be nothing more than talentless computer hacks working for peanuts, or working on technology that is destructive to the environment and humankind.
Instead of going in debt for school for all your young life so you can go into debt for a house for all your adult life, screw it, just decide what you want to do and start doing it with love and passion and live as debt-free as possible. Then you will be as close as someone in the western world can be to being a "free man". Do something constructive instead of destructive. Every old piece of shit you fix up or repair keeps another one from being built in China. Keep your old bike and car running, and even your old computers and windows etc..
If you are truly talented and meant to operate in any area, then no one can teach you how to do it better than yourself anyway. You can buy any book yourself that any school will sell you.
I walked into a computer repair shop a few weeks ago, the kid who owns it has a science degree and his father owns the plaza it is in and they needed something to fill a unit.
He doesn't know jack about fixing anything. He showed me a DVD drive that did not work and was amazed when I popped it open and unjammed it and got it working while he watched. Then he had a couple of motherboards with bad capacitors and I desoldered and soldered in other used ones I stole from a scrap circuitboard in about a half hour. He asked me "who are you?", like I was Merlin the wizard or something because I had mechanical ability and could use tools as easily as I breath.
Kids with "educations" are not educated. Kids that go to school to fix computers can not fix them if they need more than key-taps. It IS a sad state the USA is in......
I hope this Adam quits smoking so he can be around for his bikes and his wife a few more years....
Instead of going in debt for school for all your young life so you can go into debt for a house for all your adult life, screw it, just decide what you want to do and start doing it with love and passion and live as debt-free as possible. Then you will be as close as someone in the western world can be to being a "free man". Do something constructive instead of destructive. Every old piece of shit you fix up or repair keeps another one from being built in China. Keep your old bike and car running, and even your old computers and windows etc..
If you are truly talented and meant to operate in any area, then no one can teach you how to do it better than yourself anyway. You can buy any book yourself that any school will sell you.
I walked into a computer repair shop a few weeks ago, the kid who owns it has a science degree and his father owns the plaza it is in and they needed something to fill a unit.
He doesn't know jack about fixing anything. He showed me a DVD drive that did not work and was amazed when I popped it open and unjammed it and got it working while he watched. Then he had a couple of motherboards with bad capacitors and I desoldered and soldered in other used ones I stole from a scrap circuitboard in about a half hour. He asked me "who are you?", like I was Merlin the wizard or something because I had mechanical ability and could use tools as easily as I breath.
Kids with "educations" are not educated. Kids that go to school to fix computers can not fix them if they need more than key-taps. It IS a sad state the USA is in......
I hope this Adam quits smoking so he can be around for his bikes and his wife a few more years....
lingo
social pariah
I am 31. I have been saying for years that my generation is useless. It's funny though, in the last year many of my friends have started buying older car/bikes because they want to learn how to work on them. They have all come to me for advise and help. So there may be some help for them yet.
Disagree about college being a waste.The film is great,the guy is right on,and his shop does look like heaven.That being said,college is not a waste of time.If for no other thing,it does teach u how to think-critically-and this world needs critical thinkers,not the 1/2 wits that seem to be running things at times.I grew up in my dads service station,back when there was such a thing.Pumped gas,changed tires,learned to wrench,and to this day love the smell of gasoline,motor oil and 90 weight.I still went to college,got a couple of degrees and served as the CEO of a pretty good sized health care organization. I loved that job as well.The trick is,I think,find a balance somewhere and love what u do to make a living,and love what u do for fun.If the 2 turn out to be the same thing,consider yourself a lucky dude and hang onto that forever.If not always remember what gives u the most pleasure and do as much of that as u can.I "retired" last year,started restoring old bikes,and am having as much fun as humanly possible doing that.I consider myself very fortunate.bj
hocbj23 said:
I have to disagree with that too. I have also been to college...several times. And honestly, it taught me very few things that I use every day. I am a paramedic. I learned a lot about the ins and outs of the technicalities of that from the schooling, but when I graduated and went to work, I found out quickly how little I did learn. My wife is an accountant, has and MBS Masters in business. She says herself that her job and most in her field have absolutely NOTHING to do with the "skills" that she learned in school. The real lesson comes from the tangible things in life that require you to actively put your hands on a situation and problem solve. I am sorry, but sitting in a room and learning from a designated curriculum that has been formulated by a study group, a group of professors, etc. has absolutely no real weight to it. It might skim the surface of many many subjects, but in reality it doesn't teach you much of squat that you take away and make your own. The ancients (and not so ancients) taught by physically walking the earth and teaching by active example. I think these days they call that an apprenticeship. You gain skill through life lesson, not by textbook. I don't mean to be a thorn in the side of the world all of the time, but here is what I see:
Jobs require you to hold a degree in order to work in said position, when in reality with a little hands on training (which you have to do anyway once hired to learn the position) that prepares you more for the work than all of the years of schooling did. That degree can only be obtained by spending mass amounts of money that goes into the pockets of a smaller group of people. College is a business, just like health care...a lucrative one.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but to me it seems as if it is designed this way to keep a social pillar stacked the way our society wants it.
Jobs require you to hold a degree in order to work in said position, when in reality with a little hands on training (which you have to do anyway once hired to learn the position) that prepares you more for the work than all of the years of schooling did.
Saw this firsthand before i left Scotland, college student trying to put theory into practice on a lathe or mill. There is no substitute for an apprenticeship. The tradesmen i worked with in the precision engineering field were a different breed.
Saw this firsthand before i left Scotland, college student trying to put theory into practice on a lathe or mill. There is no substitute for an apprenticeship. The tradesmen i worked with in the precision engineering field were a different breed.
