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Im looking at upgrading my carbs for the little cb360. Ive been told the mikuni vm28s and 30s would work - however they seem kind of pricey. DCC has a complete kit (minus intake boots) for $369. If the saying "you get what you pay for" applies then I guess it may be worth it if the performance and throttle response increases drastically.
Should I get the 28s or 30s? The engine is currently stock and its a 75.
What do you guys think of these?
Are they top of the line, and more importantly, are they worth the money?
Any other brand I should consider?
VM30's would probably work but someone on here with more knowledge than I should be able to leave a response on that. As far as being worth the money you'll probably get a mixed bag on reviews. Some will stay "just stick to stockers as they perform fine and if they're tuned, synced, and adjusted properly you'll get the most out of your money. The Japanese engineers wouldn't put an inefficient product on the bike. And you're not spending any money because they're already there."... Then you'll get the modders saying that "racers wouldn't upgrade to a Mikuni if it did nothing. They do it because it increases this and that. If your making a racer, make a racer and put racing type products on it don't leave stock performance products on there.".. Myself, personally, I put Mikuni VM32's on my cl450 for the performance and response.. Will I ever run my bike "balls to the wall" for an extended period of time. No. Did I make other performance specific engine modifications for the bike to run "better" or "faster". No... So does it actually make a big change in the end for what I do on my bike and how it is ridden. Maybe, maybe not... It's like rat rods, street rods, performance and show cars or other vehicles... I know people who have fast cars that will do fast 1/4 mile runs that they run at the local strip on a weekend every month or two in summer months... Do they take advantage of those upgrades even though the car gets ridden during the week a lot too? No... Is it really cool and do you have a BA bike/car that you can brag about and that you did custom work on yourself? YES!!.. If your building a custom bike/racer I say change them. IMO.
the kit consists of two carbs, two k&n pod filters, and the appropriate throttle cable. i THINK it may come with some fuel lines as well, but i cant remember at the moment.
I spent less on mine from dime city and I just got their basic pods. They're Emgo branded and nice. Also DO NOT buy the cable from them. It's a universal and a pain in the ass to build it yourself. There is a guy on ebay that has the cable already done up for like 40 bucks I think and it's perfect for that set up. It doesn't come with fuel lines... Just buy the cabrs and Emgo pods unless your set on the K&N's. Get your throttle cable from ebay from the seller with them already made up and you'll avoid a lot of headaches.... On another good note, I have a 10% off code for Dime city you can use. I'll send you a PM.
K&N pods are 100x better than Emgos. They'll make tuning easier as well as protect your motor from a good bit more of the junk that wants to ruin it. The overall construction is worlds apart as well.
MotionPro will custom make you a very HIGH QUALITY guranteed cable to your specs for around $40 as well. Not saying the eBay guys arent quality. I've never seen them, but Motion Pro has been around for four decades and been used on thousands of race bikes for a reason.
Don't mean to sound like a jerk... I've been down this road a few times myself though. Its a fine line between a half assed setup that you're always tinkering with to make work and a tried and true combination of quality parts that work right every day.
also i do not have my mind set on the branded filters... i may even go the velocity stack route. i havent decided that yet. i am just confused with what carbs to get if i am not happy with whats stock
thanks VY, i am surprised that the vm28s are so much than the 30s.
i agree on the throttle cable note - its not something i want to cheap out on, especially if i am investing in new carbs.
what are your thoughts on the velocity stacks? is it risky putting those bad boys on an every day bike? i live in the city so im not taking dirt roads or anything like that, but im sure there is plenty of dust floating around and weird particles that dont belong in my motor.
Velocity stacks are a fashion accessory on a daily ridden street bike. A really awesome and great looking one, but if you want a nice simple daily ridden bike... They complicate tuning, and will always allow more debris by than a standard filter. Use a good K&N or UNI foam filter.
You are probably right on the K&N's, I just have used Emgos in the past and still use them from time to time. I was actually thinking about going with K&N's on my CL450 but I wouldn't buy them from dime city because I'm a cheap ass and you can find them cheaper elsewhere.
The cable I bought was very nice and I didn't have to worry about supplying a company or person with measurements of something I was unsure of what it was supposed to be. This one was already made and correct to size and use. Great quality too.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/cb350-honda-2-1-mikuni-throttle-cable-Fits-stock-throttle-housing-vm30-vm32-30mm-/360497415774?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item53ef52065e&vxp=mtr
I would avoid velocity stacks as they let everything into your engine. There are a few filtered versions I think but I don't know if I'd want everything from outside into my engine.
Just do some shopping around. I get the codes for 10% off through the Iron & Air magazine like once a month and I am not buying stuff from Dime City every month although I'd like to, I would go broke. Find what is cheapest and you like. The less you spend on this or that the more you'll end up having for the bike in the end for the same amount of money if you still spend the money save on other items.
I actually subscribe to Iron & Air and this month they did a free issue and I just noticed the link is right there ^^^^^ Up at the top of this page and in there is the code for 10% off at Dime City. If you subscribe to the magazine ($40/year) for the digital version you get to read and look at some other bad ass bikes people are working on and you get a 10% off code every issue... Ok, sales pitch done...
Either way though pods/stacks. You better never get stuck in the rain... I know rain and being wet affects how it runs and have heard of people complaining about different winds and/or side winds or whatever but I have never experienced issues with that. Maybe someone else could elaborate. It seems as if the wind would affect it it would do so more/worse with stacks but I've never ran stacks so I can't say for sure.
Yeah, I know I got it too. I thought after I picked shipping for it and all it was like 114.00 a year for only six printed issues. You can buy the print issues now for 15 and issue and they send you 10-15% off codes through email from time to time and that's when I pick up a paper copy. They are really nice though. Not your average 20/year magazines... It is a good read though. Highly recommend.
I have vm30's on my CB360. It is a lot of work to get them right. It took me about a year and a half of tinkering and changing all the internal parts to get the bike to a place where I was happy with the performance. Its not a slap them on, then go riding type of upgrade.
I would stay away from "kits" I sourced everything out myself and saved a bunch of cash, which was then needed to buy jets, needles and emulsion tubes in various sizes.
I think I paid like $75 a piece for the vm30's. Just don't remember where they came from.
EDIT: I got them from oemcycle.com for $77 a piece the price has gone up to $88
A LOT of the guys selling "kits" will tell you they are plug and play but even sudco, the supplier for mikuni stuff, gets it wrong frequently. I have heard a lot of bad reviews about other sites and their "jetting" but really they would need to know specifics of your intake and exhaust to make sure it's correct. There are equations to use and solutions on figuring jetting based on what your intake and exhaust is and which carbs you have... Luckily though when you buy the carbs from Dime City probably for roughly 119.00 each for the carb alone they are prejetted for your bike and the good thing with Dime City and Herb out there is if you find your running lean or rich you can call them after you've made a purchase there and explain to them what is happening and Herb will sell and ship you the correct parts (jets) to get you back on the road ASAP... My brother has a CB450 and I have a CL450 as our current projects, when he put his carbs (VM32's) on and fired it up it idled perfect right out of the box.. I haven't checked with him lately to make sure its running with a good fuel/air mixture yet but I have friends who have ordered and Herb has taken care of them and that's the reason I decided to spend the little extra to get the carbs there. After I got 10% off of course
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