my fiberglass seat project

sgt. slick

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ok so after reading many posts on here I thought I'd give it a try at making my own fiberglass seat. Initially I was going to go with florist foam but thought I'd try something a little different.

Most people have one of these laying around
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I then removed the foam liner inside the spare helmet
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Next, I cut the bottom portion off to give me a flat surface to work with
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I then took a piece of panel board from home depot an cut to size. mine being 2ft x 10in
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I then placed both pieces together to make sure i was working with two pieces that fit
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From here I cut the foam in half to the desired shape i wanted
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Very clever! Sure solves the problem of timely and messy shaping of the foam, not to mention making sure it symmetrical!
 
I then took the half i was gonna use an placed it on top of the board
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From here i placed the board on top of the frame an marked where the board would narrow out
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Next I traced the top portion of the foam on the board to and cut out the pattern
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I then took some gorilla glue an glued the foam to the board
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from here i plan to cut out another piece of foam to extend the cowl more to compensate for when its upholstered. I then plan to cover with foil and begin to place the fiberglass on. This is my first try at this so I hope it comes out good. I decided to use the helmet foam 1. because i have a couple helmets laying around and 2. because the foam is pretty sturdy an already in the shape I wanted. Being my first time, does anyone have any input before I start laying down the fiberglass, any thing you learned from doing yours or just any steps you feel I left out. Sorry for the poor pictures. My camera broke an had to use my cell phone to take the pics. I know the images are side ways i just posted them so that you can get a visual of each step.
 
Leave the shell on with the DOT sticker to protect your ass - that's what I'd do ;)
 
sgt. slick said:
Being my first time, does anyone have any input before I start laying down the fiberglass, any thing you learned from doing yours or just any steps you feel I left out. Sorry for the poor pictures. My camera broke an had to use my cell phone to take the pics. I know the images are side ways i just posted them so that you can get a visual of each step.

My first time, I way over did it with the resin. After the resin kicks, each layer should be dull; if you have shiny, "slick" looking spots you used a bit too much resin.You want just enough to saturate the fibers without any excess resin above or below each layer. More than 90% of the strength in fiberglass comes from the fibers, the resin is designed to hold the fibers where you lay them and to bond each layer to the last. For a seat, I'd recommend you find a composite shop in your area and pick up some "impact resin" so your weight and road bumps don't crack the pan over time. If you can't find it, don't worry any poly or epoxy resin will work but don't skimp on the number of layers and overall thickness of the part.

As you lay up the fiber, use cheap disposable brushes, you can clean these with lacquer thinner or acetone and reuse them if you'd like. Dab small sections at a time, start from the highest point of your mold and work your way down and out; this method pushes excess fibers to the bottom where they can be trimmed and helps minimize bubbles.

If you get bubbles, try to dab them over to an edge with your brush. A $10 fiberglass roller works well for this also. Some bubbles are hard to get rid of and you may miss some. After the resin starts to kick, it will gel up. Before it hardens completely, you can cut the bubble open with a sharp razor and dab resin into the opening.

Before you lay each successive layer, scan the surface of the part for any fibers or spots of hardened resin that stand off the surface more than a mm or so. You may want to grind these down with some 80 or 60 grit sand paper as they are more than likely to cause bubbles in the next layer.

Make sure the room you're working in is an absolute 60 degrees Fahrenheit minimum or your resin won't cure. Preferably, lay up in 65 to 70 degrees. The hotter it is, the quicker your resin will kick, so if it's too hot, you won't have much working time. Also, many store-bought brands of resin recommend 14 drops of hardener per ounce, this is the maximum ratio and I wouldn't advise you use this much hardener. If you're taking your time to lay up a smooth layer with no bubbles, you'll be lucky to get 2 or 3 ounces on your part before it starts gelling with that mixture. I typically mix ten drops per ounce and lay up 4 or 5 ounces per mix and get 10-15 minutes before it kicks. My conditions are different than yours will be, you'll just have to play with it. If you're resin starts to gel in the bottom of your cut bucket before you get a chance to lay it up, either mix less resin by volume the next time or use less hardener.

I hope this is helpful. Fiberglass is time-consuming stuff but it's super dynamic and can create attractive, high-quality parts. Be sure to post up your progress.

Josch
 
I forgot to mention and this is crucial - If you don't intend to seal that foam, test a spot on the other half of the helmet with the resin and hardener to make sure it doesn't eat it. If it does, you're going to have to seal the mold before lay up.
 
thanks for the input guys. josch, thanks for all the advice. hopefully I'll have some time this weekend to get started on everything. A couple of questions, by sealing the foam, is that as simple as covering it with tin foil is there more to it than that. Also, is there any advantage over using polly over epoxy resign or is it just personal preference? thanks again for everybody's feedback.
 
man, I need to find me an old helmet. I would have never thought of this. hurry up and finish so I can copy, haha
 
HAHAHAHA!! What a great friggin' idea man, way to go! I have a pile (26.5) of old helmets that I've been trying ot decide what to do with. None are really neat enough to keep around, I've just had them hanging on the wall in my shop but I'm moving to a diffrent location so I'll have to do something with them.

This should be in the $50 mod list!
 
sgt. slick said:
thanks for the input guys. josch, thanks for all the advice. hopefully I'll have some time this weekend to get started on everything. A couple of questions, by sealing the foam, is that as simple as covering it with tin foil is there more to it than that. Also, is there any advantage over using polly over epoxy resign or is it just personal preference? thanks again for everybody's feedback.

Yes, you can just seal it with foil and adhesive or aluminum tape works well too. Epoxy resins have higher strength, are more rigid, less brittle, have less shrinkage and are more chemical resistant than most polyester resins. They are also significantly more expensive. Any polyester resin should be sufficient for your project. Impact resin would be a step up from basic polyester and a step down from epoxy.
 
Thanks again Josch! I was wondering what would be a better method of laying down the fiber glass. Should I cut it up into strips an lay it down or should I cut it into patterns to fit the shape of the pan and overlap it that way.
 
This is a constant debate. On one side, some say cutting the fibers more than necessary reduces strength. But, it can be argued that overlapping many small pieces adds strength. The way I look at it, they don't manufacture woven cloth for no reason, it offers strong linear rigidity, so I cut large patterns and avoid any extra cutting. Chop, however, is just that - chops of fiber pressed together with no set pattern, so cutting a chop into many small pieces, logically, shouldn't affect overall strength. Also, some find either method easier. So, long and short, it's up to you!
 
yeah i was thinking of cutting out patterns an overlaying it in areas where I figure I'll need more strength. hopefully I've got enough time this weekend to get started. Oh, an yeah, been a Marine since '98 but from your name, I have no idea or just doesn't ring a bell. last names Avalos by the way.
 
sgt. slick said:
yeah i was thinking of cutting out patterns an overlaying it in areas where I figure I'll need more strength. hopefully I've got enough time this weekend to get started. Oh, an yeah, been a Marine since '98 but from your name, I have no idea or just doesn't ring a bell. last names Avalos by the way.

Yeah, you're not him but that's still pretty damn coincidental. He is an Embassy Guard and was stationed in Israel last I heard. Good luck with the project this weekend! Typically, the lay up for each layer on a seat takes me about a 1/2 hour. I usually do six layers for a seat - two layers surface veil, then a 4-6 oz cloth, a 1.5 or 2 oz Chop, then Cloth again and a final layer of Chop. Cutting the patterns takes about a 1/2 hour and I lay both layers of veil up at the same time, so total layup for a seat is about 3 hours.
 
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