Now that's ironic!

Saw the story on the News last night, I'm sure it was shown nation wide as every news room thought it was a great example of where not toeing the line gets you.
The story doesn't sit right with me, I saw nowhere that the guy disagreed with helmets being safe.
 
>,> hopefully the people in that protest learned their lesson. fucking stupidity and ignorance if you ask me.
 
Rocan said:
>,> hopefully the people in that protest learned their lesson. fucking stupidity and ignorance if you ask me.
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David... You need to relax. Do what you want to, and let others do their thing.

And I agree with the folks on this ride. Im am in NO WAY anti helmet (I wear my HJC fullface, or at least a 3/4 lid pretty much every time Im on a bike), but any goverment that thinks they have thr right to tell me I have to wear one can eat me.
 
I'll admit to being very pro helmet. Having spent a number of years racing I know why I put a helmet on. It seems to me that its only logical to wear head protection at a minimum. And I don't have a problem with helmet laws. No more than I have a problem with all the other laws that have been imposed on us.

I find it sad that people think riding without a helmet is cool or safe. All I see in that incident is more ammunition for more anti bike laws to be enacted.

I'm not a believer in Darwin but moments like that do test my beliefs.
 
Rocan said:
>,> hopefully the people in that protest learned their lesson. fucking stupidity and ignorance if you ask me.
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you sure put your self on a pretty high pedestal. some one died on a bike fighting for personal freedom of choice. sit on your computer fuckface, your making a difference
 
I thought I read somewhere that they had a permit to not wear their helmets for the protest / parade, but the victim wasn't wearing his helmet OUTSIDE of the protest / parade. Can anybody confirm that?
 
bradj said:
you sure put your self on a pretty high pedestal. some one died on a bike fighting for personal freedom of choice. sit on your computer fuckface, your making a difference
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Brad, someone died on a bike, yes, sad. Am I happy about that? No. but at what cost? I'm sorry, but the only reason you would be unhappy with being "forced" into wearing a helmet is because you dislike wearing a helmet in the first place. by "forcing" people to wear helmets, then maybe all of the people who would have otherwise not worn a helmet will have a better chance at surviving an accident such as the one being discussed here.

Motorcyclists going out and saying "we don't want to wear helmets because we want to have our own choice in the matter" is perfectly fine, but all that the general public will see is "we dont give a shit about safety, just try and make it harder for us to ride our bikes!" and, most usually, the public wins.
Look, if you are suicidal and want to off yourself, thats your business. just don't go and do it on a motorcycle, making the general publics view of us even worse.

call me a fuckface, brad, but in the end it was a death that could have been prevented by wearing a god damn helmet. Sure, I'm sitting at my computer, telling people to wear helmets. doesn't mean I'm not doing the same damn thing every single day I'm outside riding. I have first hand seen lives saved by my encouraging words to wear a helmet. Hell, just two months ago a guy I sold a bicycle helmet too came in after being in a wreck with a car, helmet in hand, mangled to all hell, but his head was fine. he would have faced severe head injuries if not death if it weren't for that damn 100 dollar helmet.

now I'm ranting. long story short, not wearing a helmet is stupid, even if you have the "right" to not wear one.
 
Britain has had compulsory helmets since 1972.
The issue isn't wearing but freedom of choice.
Florida doesn't have compulsory helmet , I've tried riding without helmet (twice, about 5~6 miles each time) it's damn scary.
You CAN'T hear better (hell you can't hear at all for wind noise when you get over about 45~50mph)

Long time ago, (probably 1979~'80)
we were all a lot younger and dumber then (nothing changes 8) )
One of the worst things I think I've ever seen was my brother sliding down the road at 90+ after literally getting blown off bike by 18 wheeler he was overtaking
There wasn't a single part of his helmet that wasn't scratched or broken (it was a good fiberglass one, inner liner was compressed down to about 1/4" in two places))
He was pretty scuffed up, bike was barely ridable (both brakes got trashed, forks twisted, wheel buckled) but, we made it to weekend party ;D
 
David. Do you wear a seatbelt every time you get in a car? Do you smoke cigarettes? Do you (insert whtever potentially lethal action here)? All anyone is saying is that, ya we get the role and purpose of a helmet. Everyone does. The fact is, that as humans we have the right to be as stupid as we choose. I get what youre trying to do by crusading for hemets and gear here on DTT and elsewhere. Its not going to change everyones minds though. Keep wearing your gear, and IF someone wants to listen, explain your side. I get that youre trying to look out for everyone. Not everyone wants someone (and honestly, to many your age probobly has a lot to do with it unfortunatly) telling them what they already know in an aggressive manor. If someone chooses to ride sans helmet, it really is THEIR choice. Start changing that, and eventually there will be more laws than you can handle.
 
Man a helmet has little to nothing to do with why your post pist me off.
 
Like it or not, the government actually has both the right and therefore the duty to regulate what we wear if they say it's in the public interest. They legislated for seat belts and few complain, but with helmets we argue. I don't follow the logic. Helmets won't save every life, but they can save a lot.
 
I use all my gear every time i ride my bike that is not the point. example that ill use as a comparison: i dont get high nor do i agree with the act or life style that goes along with getting high. bbbbuuuuttt, when they allow those big smoke in where people can smoke in a certain area, for a certain amount of time.i would not make light or make fun of aheart attack or medical what ever that was brought on by the thousand of active chemicals in pot. long and short of it is people have a right to protest what ever they want. Drug laws, the war, a prison being built in there town, civil rights. standing up for something you feel strongly about is a brave thing, even if you do not agree with it.
 
i see the other side, don't get me wrong. my issue is not with those who are against compulsory helmet use but choose to use a helmet anyway. that, I can understand. my issue is that the MAJORITY of people who are against compulsory helmet use are also against using them altogether. when new riders get out on the road and see that its the LAW to wear a helmet, they will. but if its their choice, and people around them aren't wearing them (because its the fad or whatever) then they most likely will not wear a helmet. THAT is why I support compulsory helmet laws.

other bike laws, not so much. such as lane splitting; reality of the matter is that when done safely, lane splitting would improve traffic ten fold.


and yes, I DO wear a seatbelt every time I get in my car, and force my girlfriend (who currently sits on my lap) to do the same as well. yes, there are tons of things in life that are risky that i participate in, but never blindly. I wear what gear I can and never work outside my limits. and, as for smoking, I have more or less quit. so bugger off.
 
Again... Relax. Im not arguing with you. Maybe just saying take it down a notch. Everyone is aware that a helmet equals safety. If they somehow believe otherwise because people around them dont wear one, well youre the big fan of Darwinism here it seems. Seatbelt laws are bullshit. Helmet laws are bullshit. Thats my opinion. I wear both, but I dont believe its the goverments job to tell me to do so. Thats really an argument for another time. The fact is that a man died. If anyone wants to talk shit on him for how it happened, well thats too bad. He took his own life into his hands, and made a decision that killed him. Thats tragic, and I feel for his family and fellow riders. Doesnt make him an idiot or any other name thrown around here thus far. He elevated his level of risk and paid the price. We all do shit that can kill us that we have all been told not to.
 
Not to change the subject, but this article came up on another forum I frequent. One of the posters said "he died doing something he loved. It was his choice as an adult to not wear a helmet" etc etc. Then I thought: he didn't die doing something he loved (riding motorcycles), he died from flipping over the bars and landing on his head.

Can we drop the subject now? I don't want to see this turn ugly.
 
Agreed. That's why I just deleted my last post. Time to let it go. And to hope that we all get to ride our bikes safely for a long time to come.
 
oh man. late to the party. i had so much fun stuff to add. oh well. i'll hold my comments for the next thread like this that comes up. cause we all know it will.
 
screw it, lets all agree to disagree before this turns into cafedothetonracer.net
 
Rocon, its Kool there was never a moment when i did not get your point, you just didnot get mine. i dont know you from adam but there been way more than one occasion where you have come at me personally in the complete wrong way. in turn i find my self not pulling any punches with you. I Apologize but you may want to think about the way you come off to other people im just telling you where i stand
 
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