opinions please ... no helmet ... it's ok he's got a turban

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ok ... here's an article:
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_19660.aspx

Guy claims he can't wear a helmet because of his turban which he wears for religious reasons and thus violates his human rights.

Thoughts?
 
Scarcat said:
ok ... here's an article:
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_19660.aspx

Guy claims he can't wear a helmet because of his turban which he wears for religious reasons and thus violates his human rights.

Thoughts?

Well, i respect others religious beliefs, even when i disagree with them. But here are my thoughts:

The government states they have this rule to reduce the load on health care and that it's for your safety. I do NOT like seeing exceptions made in a case like this, as this isn't a religious/sexist/racist type of issue. It's basic safety.

That said, if he decides to carry on with this, fine. But if he wishes to get an exemption, then he should be exempt from ANY health care associated with a head-injury from a motorcycle accident. It should not cut both ways.

Dunno, but I think that solves it for both sides, unless he says it's his "right" to the health care... then i'd get pissed.
 
Riding a motorcycle, driving a car etc. isn't a right, it's something you decide to do, knowing full well the legal requirements of doing so.

If I claimed being judged by others was against my religion, could I get away with driving without a license?

Wear the fucking helmet and quit being such a fucktard. That's my opinion.

The only exception I'd consider is let everyone skip the helmet, seatbelts etc., but you forfeit your insurance coverage, health-care coverage etc. Don't matter if its your fault or someone elses. You get creamed and put in a wheelchair, tough fucking nuts and if you can't pay the bills, we take your house, your money, your cars, everything to cover the cost.
 
here's my opinion:

I understand and respect people's traditions and religious practices. However, this is a matter of safety. Helmets are there to protect the rider from personal harm.

As an avid biker, I can tell you that this man is an idiot and shouldn't have had his license issued to him in the first place. Regardless of religious preferences, quite simply put ... if you don't wear a helmet, you can die. Period. As a society we need to protect people from themselves.

On the other side, should the helmet laws be revoked for turbans, motorcycle insurance premiums will skyrocket, but only for those of his religion. Thus, if your religion prevents you from wearing a helmet because of your turban ... and the law says that's right ... ok then ... that'll be $200,000 / year for insurance because the likelihood you're going to die just went up 1000% percent... all because of your religion.

I'll wear a helmet, thanks.
 
Does he have a licence? How did he even get a licence without using a helmet? Something seems weird. I have absolutely no time for people's religious beliefs affecting the law, really irritates me. Driving anything (car, motorcycle, etc) is not a person's right, it's a privelege. If you don't respect the rules around it then too bad, no licence for you. So much time and money is wasted on religiion in this country it's nuts. I hate when the different religions feel the need to try and control law like same sex marriage for example. It's none of their business, if they don't want it in their religion, fair enough but don't stop others from having it. Man I hate organized cults, sorry I meant religions. :D
 
i think over here its has been allowed for years, when helmets became compulsary. The motorcylcle action group(MAG) fought against it but well the goverment here is week willed and stupid allways has been. I dont think you should have one law for some and another for others. Big debate over here at the moment all down to religous, nutters. Religion is personal and should have nothing to do with the state or the laws otherwise religion starts to run the country and religion is by nature discriminatory prejudice, and intolerant. it is also partriachal and mysoganistic. People have a right to their beliefs but they are not mine dont push them on me. Right had my rant.....not a great fan of organised religion as you can see.. ;D
 
Then don't ride.

Take the bus and let everyone wonder if you have a bomb.
 
I was reading in the local paper (given he's a local guy), and pretty much all the public reaction to this mirrors ours, save perhaps the ride the bus comment.

They mentioned the option of getting a special helmet made. That I gotta see. I'd get one, paste little antennae to it, paint it green and get a license plate that said 'GAZOO'.
 
Yep, only option IMHO is a bigger helmet.

Would look crazy but whatever... If I had to wear a turbin all the time I'd be upset that I couldn't ride a motorcycle.
Might be hard to get DOT and Snell I would think, just based on how much soft space would be in there.

EDIT: Just checked out the artile... So his faith says nothing can touch the turbin... I guess I have no idea fora solution. I hate to say it but it doesn't look too good for sikh motorcyclists. I gues there are some things you have to give up if you want to be a devout member of any faith.
 
Ease said:
I gues there are some things you have to give up if you want to be a devout member of any faith.

Thats quite true. And seems to be that it's always the middle eastern religions that are whining and crying like little gradeschoolers that this and that in our country isn't fair, or is racist or discriminatory just because it conflicts with THEIR religion. Why we as a society, and authority figures alike, even consider making an exception for this guy is beyond me. Maybe there should be special exceptions for blind people who want to ride a bike. Maybe we're discriminating against them too. People seem to get rights and privileges mixed up quite often. I'll shut up now as this is just making me more mad.
 
Hey lou .. watch out for the racist remarks. i.e. taxis et al. That's simply not cool.
 
Agreed racism is not cool, and is as discriminatory as Religion.

BUt here is a poser... you dont have to be of a certain race to be of a certain religion... so if you are anti religion would you be racist ???? if you see what i mean ???
 
LOL..
hey that dude probabbly has more padding under that thing than some of our old vintage Helmets!!.. LOL!!!..
 
Well shoot, now here's another branch to go down! I think its safe to say that in many cases, religion and ethnicity (I'm still not convinced there's more than one race of humanity on the planet) go hand in hand, at least for the majority of people of a particular religion or ethnic group.

Regardless, bigotry is bigotry and unless your name is Archie Bunker, it has no place here. I think this particular dude is seeking media attention (have you seen the poses he assumes on his big hunk of chrome?) and the media and human rights groups are always hungry for a good story. I disagree with his position based on the fact that we have rules and laws in place governing the use of motor vehicles. Abide by the rules and you get to play ball.

We're passing laws all the time governing what you can and cannot do while operating a vehicle. You can't drink, you can't be asleep, you can't wear a blindfold, you have to wear a seatbelt, in some places you can't talk on the phone, you can't play guitar, soon you won't be able to smoke if your kids are with you (like we should need a law for that?) etc. etc. etc.

And you've got to wear a helmet when you ride a motorcycle. End of discussion.

So long as we have taxpayer supported healthcare, and no tax-base to extract funds from people who knowingly put themselves at higher risk of health problems (like taxes on cigarettes, booze etc.) then you'd better wear that fucking helmet or I'm coming to the hospital to pull the plug on you when you're on life support at my expense.
 
If I (or anyone else) were to hit him with a car or truck and kill him because he had a legal exception from wearing a helmet (regardless of who or what was at fault), that would make me feel awful, likely for the rest of my life. It would scar me mentally and probably fuck my shit up for quite a while. Would this be fair to me? Would it be fair if I was charged with vehicular manslaughter because he died? Just because he wants to prove a point that the government and authorities can't tell him what he can or can't do? Because the media and human rights groups want to look like they're looking out for the good of the downtrodden and oppressed, whether it makes sense or not? What happened to common sense in people? Is their personal 12 seconds of fame more important than their own life and the effects their death would have on their own family and friends? Why are people's priorities so screwed up?

And don't get me started on racism. It wouldn't turn out well. Religion is a pretty slippery slope too.
 
rudy said:
If I (or anyone else) were to hit him with a car or truck and kill him because he had a legal exception from wearing a helmet (regardless of who or what was at fault), that would make me feel awful, likely for the rest of my life. It would scar me mentally and probably fuck my shit up for quite a while. Would this be fair to me? Would it be fair if I was charged with vehicular manslaughter because he died? Just because he wants to prove a point that the government and authorities can't tell him what he can or can't do? Because the media and human rights groups want to look like they're looking out for the good of the downtrodden and oppressed, whether it makes sense or not? What happened to common sense in people? Is their personal 12 seconds of fame more important than their own life and the effects their death would have on their own family and friends? Why are people's priorities so screwed up?

And don't get me started on racism. It wouldn't turn out well. Religion is a pretty slippery slope too.

Just to point out... Common Sense isn't so common.

Frankly, I think you should wear a helmet. People talk about freedom to do this, freedom to do that and about their RIGHT not to wear a helmet. It just goes back to the privelige of riding a bike... it isn't a right.

I remember reading when Florida struck down the rule to wear helmets, and the fatalities rose by something like 80%... Gee I wonder why.

Wear your fucking bucket... thats all I can say. If I hadn't been wearing my full face the day I went down, then my face would have ended up being ugly...er.
 
miss alliekat said:
Agreed racism is not cool, and is as discriminatory as Religion.

BUt here is a poser... you dont have to be of a certain race to be of a certain religion... so if you are anti religion would you be racist ???? if you see what i mean ???

Haha, No Way.
Being against organized religion (as a whole) isn't racist at all... but I guess there is no real word for hating someone because of their Specific chosen religion, so "racist" just fits the bill.

BTW, I just noticed the 3 heavy posts on this, the second page - so I don't mean to make light of the commentary...

In any event this is going to be an interesting story to follow, and I hope that someone will keep us up to date on how it progresses.

My 2 cents says that motorcyclists in this country should have to wear helmets... but I do feel bad for this gentleman if he can't ride... and I'm back and forth about wether he should be allowed to endanger his OWN LIFE... maybe an age limit or something... I don't know... far too complicated a situation.
So I'm back to my original comment... If there is no wiggle room within the devout members of the religion to allow for a helmet than unfortunately it seems like the cost for believing so deeply in his religion.
 
I'm sure our turban-wearing buddy would change his tune if he had one of these bad boys ;)


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