Powder, paint, or chrome ?

Thomas_Hudson

Honda owner/Honda Rider
So if you wanted to "Chrome" a bike frame what would be your choice? I mean chrome can oxidize over time and powder coat doesn't and I'm not sure how chrome paint would look, so just trying to see what others have done and maybe get some insight. I also would like to have the comstars chromed as well as several little parts. Have any of you had good experience with powder coating in chrome and how good does it look? would anyone advise against actually chrome dipping the frame, and any thoughts on price variances between the different methods?
Thanks
Thomas
 
I would never powder coat a frame.its a big trend in the US and many people do it but it has grear disadvantages.
Powder coating is merely repairable,so if you do mods to the frame after coating it really sucks.
Sand blasting a coated frame is a nightmare (starts to melt and sticks and sticks and sticks....).
I would paint the frame with a good epoxy paint.
 
Ryan Stecken said:
I would never powder coat a frame.its a big trend in the US and many people do it but it has grear disadvantages.
Powder coating is merely repairable,so if you do mods to the frame after coating it really sucks.
Sand blasting a coated frame is a nightmare (starts to melt and sticks and sticks and sticks....).
I would paint the frame with a good epoxy paint.

Can you elaborate more on this? What does this mean:"Powder coating is merely repairable, so if you do mods to the frame after coating it really sucks."?
What starts to melt and sticks and sticks when blasting?
The fix for an epoxy painted frame is the same as a powder coated frame. trick is you're not suppose to paint/powder finish your bike until it is through the fabrication stages.
 
So I never did hear if anyone had chromed a set of Comstars or not and not really many opinions on any of the processes.
I'm talking about a stock 1970's Honda frame. It will get seen and riden, but no show bike. More like a nice day cruiser that gets some attention every so often. Not going to be waxing the frame after each ride. I want it chromed but I don't want it to start rusting in a couple of years. So I had thought power coating might be the way to go if the finish is ok. It is the frame and its buried under the bodywork mostly, only visable in small sections anyway.
The wheels are stock 79 Comstars. I want them to look good. They sit right out in the open and will get a fair amount of attention. They need to shine.
So what's the consensus?
 
good, fresh chrome is certainly easy to keep clean and looking nice. wipe polish on, wait a couple minutes to dry, wipes right off. easy peasy and a beautiful shine everytime. just dont let your boot soles melt on it.

just before having my fork springs chromed. I tried painted them w chrome paint. I was pretty impressed w the finish. Without close examination it actually sorta looked kinda like chrome. then I sprayed clear on them. And BAM the reflective shine was gone. Just a dull silver finish. yuck. So I stripped em and sent them for real chrome.

However, Seems everytime I turn around I am re-working something on her. Paint is easiest to repair. After cutting, grinding and welding. Adding/moving/re-working rearsets, changing pipes & mufflers...etc. Personally I would never powder coat the frame. Unless your certain you got her the way you want her.
 
The best finish for anything usually boils down to opinion and what trade offs are important to the individual. Every finish has strengths and weaknesses. This is a vast subject, and anything anyone has to add is only scratching the surface, but here are a couple of my own opinions and what I tend to do these days.

Chrome: I have chrome done regularly. It is extremely difficult to get done well, and dreadfully expensive. As a rule, I limit my chrome parts to hardware like shifter and brake pedals, small things made from steel. Chrome itself is microscopically thin to the point of transparency, but it is wondrously corrosion resistant. It is a thin layer on top of nickel, which is very tough. The nickel is on top of copper which serves as the bodywork to smooth out your part. A complete frame is an insane amount of work to make smooth and defect free enough to look good chromed, but it can be done. I have a high bar, and my parts are already flawlessly smoothed and mirror polished before I send them to chrome and it is major work and still expensive, but many parts are ok on the first pass. Large parts in general are just not an option for me, I can't imagine doing it unless I built the frame from scratch and it was already pretty enough to chrome. Preparing a manufactured frame? No way for me.

I almost always paint my frames gloss black. With single stage polyurethane over epoxy. Even with paint, it is a lot of work smoothing out a production frame so it looks good in shiny black. Dozens of hours if you are picky. Most frames do not look good in a color no matter how much you fuss over them if there are a lot of stamped components. The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to cover or camouflage their frames and paint them satin black for a reason.

In the main I paint most important parts such as hubs and brackets just like the frames for durability, and because I can control the process from start to finish.

I have nothing at all against powder coating, but seldom use it. This is mostly because I am already doing parts with urethane, and the superior toughness of the powder usually is not needed enough to send parts out. I am as a rule more concerned with longevity and corrosion problems, and powder coating offers no advantage. (No doubt others will disagree, but there is only one way to solve aluminum alloy corrosion issues and that is to chemically passivate the parts which is dangerous (and illegal), though it works as well under powder as it does under paint).

Powder is tougher and more chip resistant, but it does take damage. I can't say it is much different to "repair" than urethane - touching up damage usually looks touched up regardless. Maybe you can't cook your powder touch ups, but you can certainly just use matching paint to make a repair. I remember a dragster chassis done in a pewter hammer finish powder, and it was shit where it got chipped, but can't say paint would have been better except for probably actually having paint to touch up with. Having that perfect match powder doesn't help much as far as I know. I have never seen "spot" powder done.
 
Awesome. Thanks for the input. I guess it boils down to how much prep I'm willing to do. I've got something to think about.
 
I've had numerous parts done w/ PC lately;the most enjoyable ones have been seeing it turn from a rusty part to a strong coating that's very scratch resistant.I've always used spray cans in the past(and still do)and hate to see the paint scratch so easily.
My favorite PC for a while now has been the 'shiny silver' which is like 'a poor mans chrome' 8) not quite as 'mirror-like' and reflective as real chrome but close enough for me ;)
 
just cant really help yourself can you lol

i would switch it to spokes if its that big a deal long before i would chrome comstars
 
Mobias, the drag race frame you saw powder coated must have been some number of years ago because most sanctioning bodies don't allow powder coated frames because the metal under the powder may crack before the powder does. These cracks are not visible under the powder so a thorough frame inspection can't be done.
If your not opposed to paint then there is no reason powder damage can't be repaired with paint.
 
cxman said:
just cant really help yourself can you lol

i would switch it to spokes if its that big a deal long before i would chrome comstars
i know right? LOL. Spokes could be so nice on this ride too, but I'm not sure what doner bike I need to get them from.
 
o1marc said:
Mobias, the drag race frame you saw powder coated must have been some number of years ago because most sanctioning bodies don't allow powder coated frames because the metal under the powder may crack before the powder does. These cracks are not visible under the powder so a thorough frame inspection can't be done.
If your not opposed to paint then there is no reason powder damage can't be repaired with paint.

Indeed! A terribly long count of days ago! They used to allow bracket cars vs bikes way back too (no thank you!) I remember some seriously scary cars (and bikes!) Must by why I ran off to go race sailboats!
 
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