Remote Reservoir Shocks from Tec Bike Parts

Ok, just FYI, It has been confirmed by TEC Bike Parts USA that these shocks are made in China. While I make no comments on whether this is a negative for these particular shocks or not (they seem to be better quality than the known poor quality of RFY shocks), I do have issue with a company that states:

"We manufacture these parts ourselves and sell directly to you.
We do not employ dealers, agents, wholesalers or middle-men.
This is how the TEC Bike Parts group of companies can offer such competitive pricing.".

This statement can only be true if they own the foundry in China that makes these parts. They may assemble the shocks in the UK but I doubt they own the parts manufacturing facility in China.
 
Not all products from China are junk. These shocks are visibly better looking in quality and the RFY are proven junk on anything heavier than a 300lb bike. The lower clevis is too wide and tends to snap off when you try to tighten it down, they are short on oil and shaft travel. Crazypj has modified them to work but says it costs as much to modify than to just purchase a better shock to begin with. I'm curious to see the OPs results from guinea pig testing these.
 
I wasn't able to make it to the post office on Saturday before they closed and they are closed today for MLK day so I will be shipping them out to Sav0r tomorrow for sure.
 
o1marc said:
Not all products from China are junk. These shocks are visibly better looking in quality and the RFY are proven junk on anything heavier than a 300lb bike. The lower clevis is too wide and tends to snap off when you try to tighten it down, they are short on oil and shaft travel. Crazypj has modified them to work but says it costs as much to modify than to just purchase a better shock to begin with. I'm curious to see the OPs results from guinea pig testing these.

I'll be doing SaltCityCafe's shocks when they arrive. I'll post information as I have it.

As for the RFY's. I was able to equal the travel from my stock RD shocks with my RFY's, this required very minor reworking. There are also two spring rates. The lighter spring, a 7mm wire, is about perfect for a 300lbs. bike and a 150 lbs rider. The 8mm spring, which provides a spring rate of about 150lbs/inch is appropriate for heavier bikes and riders. The problem with two available springs is that they are too far apart in spring rate. A 120lbs/inch spring would be perfect. The 7mm spring comes in at around 90lbs/inch. I have a third spring ordered that should arrive tomorrow. I hope measure the spring rates on it Wednesday.

There exist a few final issues with RFY shock. The biggest being a total lack of information. Too many people throw these shock on expecting a great ride. Proper suspension setup is not that difficult, but too many fail to even try. That results in a poor ride and unfortunately for RFY shocks a poor reputation.

The assembly of the RFY's is crap. No doubt about it. The materials really aren't that bad though. CrazyPJ said much the same on his post. Before purchasing the RFY shocks I read his post thoroughly and then later verified through my own exploration.

If you are dumb enough to squeeze a clevis together then you deserve the failure that is coming. Steel maybe, aluminum no.

In the end, when you spend $200 at hagon you are paying for their knowledge. They give you a spring rate that matches the weight of your bike and a shock that is set to damp correctly for that rate. The shock itself is outdated technology. The result of this is a good riding bike, but the shock is still a throwaway piece with no options for damping change. The shock and spring package are dumbed down to the point that you can't screw them up. That's why you pay $200 for outdated shocks.

So this brings me to why I have decided to invest time in RFY Shocks. Having taken the RFY apart it is obvious that the ingredients are there. I don't feel it is too far fetched to develop a strategy by which the RFY shock can become as good if not better than the base Hagon. The RFY is in fact a much better design, all that is left is to properly understand the spring rate and damping properties. I have already made major inroads on this process and fortunately I have received some interest in my rebuild program. As this program continues to grow the shocks will only continue to improve. The base build on my website is $75 and that corrects everything except the preload issue. Given you can get the shocks for $80 and spend $75 on the rebuild that gets you a 155 dollar set of shocks that work rather well. Lot's of other guys have rebuilt their shocks and had good experiences.

I'll post further information as I have it.
 
Just heard back from Sav0r and he has finished doing his once over of my TEC shocks. Seems like they might be exactly what we were thinking, a good alternative to RFY's but obviously not as good a Hagon's. A decent middle of the road option at a good price. I will let Sav0r do his post and give all the particulars but I am pretty happy with it.
 
Re: Remote Reservoir Shocks from Tec Bike Parts

Waiting for this review because I bought these shocks for my cb500 and want to know if I should return them

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Here we go, gentleman. http://chrislivengood.net/wp/?p=1397

There are way more details over at my site, but this is part of conclusion directly from my article.

This in mind, the assembly of this shock is better than the RFY model. I emphasize assembly, as the outward appearance differs, I’m not too sure that they aren’t the same internally. While the construction is a slight departure from the RFY, the final effect is much the same. You pay a slight premium to get better final assembly than that of the RFY. Asides from this, the major advantage of the TEC Alloy shock is that they advertise for Honda CB model bikes. This likely means that they have appropriate spring rates and proper eyelets and clevises for those bikes, though I do not have access to a CB to verify. If you have a CB, these might be a good package. Finally, the damper does appear to be fully rebuildable, meaning that if the rider should require different damping properties its plausible to do so. This analysis was done off the bike. Final conclusions should be made via testing in the real world on a real bike.
 
Remote Reservoir Shocks from Tec Bike Parts

Nice write up at your site. Thanks for the info.
 
Awesome write-up. I did test fit these on my CB750 before I sent them off to Sav0r and they eyelet and clevis are the correct size and length. They eyelet will need a spacer as its thinner than a stock shock but it all fits well.
 
Has anyone dismantled one of these TEC shocks yet? I am definitely looking potentially for 2 pairs of these in the next year for my spare parts/spare frame GS750 buildup, and to replace the overly stiff MikesXS lowering shocks on my wife's GS550. I'm lucky enough to have found a set of vintage piggyback Fox Factory Shox with the Suzuki clevis for my primary ride, but wonder how a properly filled/sprung set of TEC's or RFY's would dampen in comparison. The Fox should work out amazing other than pre-load adjustment meaning removing shocks from the bike...
The spring rates on the TEC and the slightly better construction really make that a much better option than the RFY, but it appears as if TEC USA is out of stock completely, and the UK site doesn't seem to have these shocks listed. I haven't checked the Australian TEC site.

I emailed TEC UK about these piggyback shocks, however, and am waiting to hear back. Only down side for me is that the RFY clevis is wider than a CB750 mount, but the Suzuki GS mounts are wider than the CB mounts anyway. Might need to have my friend machine up a new clevis mount to fit Suzuki's. Seems it'd be to TEC's benefit to have those on hand so that they could double the amount of bike models that these are marketable for.
 
Chuck78 said:
Has anyone dismantled one of these TEC shocks yet? I am definitely looking potentially for 2 pairs of these in the next year for my spare parts/spare frame GS750 buildup, and to replace the overly stiff MikesXS lowering shocks on my wife's GS550. I'm lucky enough to have found a set of vintage piggyback Fox Factory Shox with the Suzuki clevis for my primary ride, but wonder how a properly filled/sprung set of TEC's or RFY's would dampen in comparison. The Fox should work out amazing other than pre-load adjustment meaning removing shocks from the bike...
The spring rates on the TEC and the slightly better construction really make that a much better option than the RFY, but it appears as if TEC USA is out of stock completely, and the UK site doesn't seem to have these shocks listed. I haven't checked the Australian TEC site.

I emailed TEC UK about these piggyback shocks, however, and am waiting to hear back. Only down side for me is that the RFY clevis is wider than a CB750 mount, but the Suzuki GS mounts are wider than the CB mounts anyway. Might need to have my friend machine up a new clevis mount to fit Suzuki's. Seems it'd be to TEC's benefit to have those on hand so that they could double the amount of bike models that these are marketable for.
Did you mean take the actual shock reservoir apart? This whole thread was about dismantling the TEC shocks and evaluating them. If the clevis is the same between the TEC CB and GS mounts and the GS mounting point is wider than a CB, why would need to make anything for the GS? You don't need a new clevis made you just need an appropriate size washer to put in the gap, $.05 as opposed to $50+.
TECbikeparts UK facility is in the process of moving to a new location right now.
 
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Sav0r said:
I'll be doing SaltCityCafe's shocks when they arrive. I'll post information as I have it.

As for the RFY's. I was able to equal the travel from my stock RD shocks with my RFY's, this required very minor reworking. There are also two spring rates. The lighter spring, a 7mm wire, is about perfect for a 300lbs. bike and a 150 lbs rider. The 8mm spring, which provides a spring rate of about 150lbs/inch is appropriate for heavier bikes and riders. The problem with two available springs is that they are too far apart in spring rate. A 120lbs/inch spring would be perfect. The 7mm spring comes in at around 90lbs/inch. I have a third spring ordered that should arrive tomorrow. I hope measure the spring rates on it Wednesday.

There exist a few final issues with RFY shock. The biggest being a total lack of information. Too many people throw these shock on expecting a great ride. Proper suspension setup is not that difficult, but too many fail to even try. That results in a poor ride and unfortunately for RFY shocks a poor reputation.

The assembly of the RFY's is crap. No doubt about it. The materials really aren't that bad though. CrazyPJ said much the same on his post. Before purchasing the RFY shocks I read his post thoroughly and then later verified through my own exploration.

If you are dumb enough to squeeze a clevis together then you deserve the failure that is coming. Steel maybe, aluminum no.

In the end, when you spend $200 at hagon you are paying for their knowledge. They give you a spring rate that matches the weight of your bike and a shock that is set to damp correctly for that rate. The shock itself is outdated technology. The result of this is a good riding bike, but the shock is still a throwaway piece with no options for damping change. The shock and spring package are dumbed down to the point that you can't screw them up. That's why you pay $200 for outdated shocks.

So this brings me to why I have decided to invest time in RFY Shocks. Having taken the RFY apart it is obvious that the ingredients are there. I don't feel it is too far fetched to develop a strategy by which the RFY shock can become as good if not better than the base Hagon. The RFY is in fact a much better design, all that is left is to properly understand the spring rate and damping properties. I have already made major inroads on this process and fortunately I have received some interest in my rebuild program. As this program continues to grow the shocks will only continue to improve. The base build on my website is $75 and that corrects everything except the preload issue. Given you can get the shocks for $80 and spend $75 on the rebuild that gets you a 155 dollar set of shocks that work rather well. Lot's of other guys have rebuilt their shocks and had good experiences.

I'll post further information as I have it.

Hi there bro, would you be so kind to post the link to the famous RFY strip/rebuild thread?

Thanks

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o1marc said:
Did you mean take the actual shock reservoir apart? This whole thread was about dismantling the TEC shocks and evaluating them.
Yes, I believe the extent of the evaluation was the set that the OP sent to Sav0r, who removed the springs and checked out the dampening function to determine that they were better assembled than the RFY by far, with minimal air in the oil, and also that they were of better machining quality. I don't believe anyone has yet to dismantle them to examine the piston and valving/shim stacks, not to mention the ability to create more travel by installing a shorter top-out spring as Sav0r did with the RFY shocks. These TEC shocks seem to be a far better deal, as you can get varied spring rates for them, and the quality is so far looking to be much better. I don't believe anyone has been really inside of them yet, and the US TEC site is sold out of the shocks for now. The UK site says they are in the process of moving their facility, but the date was last year that they posted that. hmmm...

o1marc said:
If the clevis is the same between the TEC CB and GS mounts and the GS mounting point is wider than a CB, why would need to make anything for the GS? You don't need a new clevis made you just need an appropriate size washer to put in the gap, $.05 as opposed to $50+.
TECbikeparts UK facility is in the process of moving to a new location right now.

The clevis is not the same, similar, but different widths. The Fox Factory Shox that fit the Honda CB750 clevis mount are too narrow to fit the Suzuki GS clevis mount, if I remember that measurement correctly - Fox GS1000 clevis .950", CB750 .750" wide. So the GS clevis needs to be wider than the CB, hence needing an wider clevis made. Unless these are made to install with a washer on either side already. The GS' have a sperical eye bearing on the swingarm mount.
 
teazer said:
C'mon Marc. We know the answer to that. :) Well like most facts in this thread we don't actually know but we can speculate that they are probably manufactured in China - and that isn't necessarily bad. iPhones are made there after all and they seem to work OK.

Chinese manufacturing in many cases has improved in leaps and bounds. What they appear to lack is working knowledge of the application and that makes it harder for them to set damping and spring rates for different applications. Again, that's speculation on my part there. They have an increasingly educated workforce and some really good engineers and production people but not a lot of suspension experts from say Ohlins or MotoGP teams to draw on.
There's no speculation at all, the question was asked and answered here if you had read the whole thread. TEC admitted they were Chinese made parts. There were posts discussion their ambiguity in their statement of all their products were designed and manufactured by them in the UK. As it turns out that is just not true. It was hard to determine where they were made when they make statements like:
"We manufacture these parts ourselves and sell directly to you.
We do not employ dealers, agents, wholesalers or middle-men.
This is how the TEC Bike Parts group of companies can offer such competitive pricing."
This statement would have you believe then that they own the Chinese foundry where the parts are actually made.
 
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Ladies ladies lets calm now. What we decided is that yes they are chinese parts, possibly assembled in the uk or us whichever. Honestly I really don't care. The part I do care about is that they seem to be a good middle of the road solution and at a good price. I still haven't ridden them so can't report on that just yet

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After a Google search, I have found two+ years worth of feedback on TEC shocks on a triumph rat forums, as TEC sell tons of Triumph parts. apparently even the base model TEC shocks are a drastic upgrade from the stock Triumph shocks. all of the people who bought/rode them had great things to say and all the skeptics who would not buy them kept knocking their origin and that they are copies of expensive shocks. the only negative feedback about the company was the Triumph steering dampers' quality, and the black finish that they no longer offer on their springs because of paint flaking problems. it sounds as if the TEC employees or owners are on top of it when it comes to controlling the quality of production, as they cared enough to discontinue that damper apparently, and the flaking black finish as well.

we already know that the set tested on here had a much better quality assembly then the cheaper RFY shocks, and it seems as if you can get a better assortment of spring rates from TEC - VERY important, otherwise you are stuck with a spring that is way too soft or way too stiff, since the RFY only have 7mm & 8mm wire diameter offerings. In looking at these vintage Fox Shox I have, there is a huge difference in spring rate going from a .263" wire diameter up to .295". One whole millimeter is DRASTIC. The RFY may be best suited for only the lightest of barebones twin cylinder racers, or heavy bikes/riders if you trust the quality. I think Sav0r pointed out that either the TEC or the RFY model 2 had FAR BETTER machinework on the preload nut/collar threads on the outside of the shock bodies than the cheaper RFY's. That is slightly bothersome, and would definitely make the extra $35 or so worthwhile.

If using the RFY and finding you have a crappy ride due to terribly mismatched spring rates, the only option to retain them would be to find a spring the same top o.d. (the rfy coils are thinner at the bottom), and machine up new bottom end pieces that relocate the lower spring perch/collar further down to accommodate a slightly longer spring of consistent coil o.d.


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I've recently replaced my Ikon 7614s with the TEC gas reservoir shocks after the Ikons started pissing oil. I'm really impressed. The damping seems just about perfect, even though it isn't adjustable. I love the adjustable ride height. I think the finish is great. I'd definitely buy them again, even at double the price."

"Although I appreciated the nostalgic primitive handling the old shocks provided (really felt like a throwback bike) these new shocks make a world of difference. I took a few roads that normally had me up off my seat and was happy to find my Scrambler handles so much better.
I'm happy with my purchase right now; we'll see how they hold up."
 
Oh, and I also read some very promising info last night from the same Google search on these. One person who is riding a set of the TEC reservoir shocks said they performed very similar to the Marzocchi Strada piggyback shocks. Quite a compliment, those Strada's are pretty decent shocks, really great for the money. my only complaint is that the Strada's piggyback reservoir is on the bottom, adding to unsprung weight.

Here's a lengthy video reviewing & installing these shocks. A slight bit of misinformation, as we know they are not manufactured by TEC but for TEC in China. Also I dont believe the gas reservoir cushion in this style shock really adds much to the spring rate. It is there to compress the same volume of the shaft that is inserted into the shock body during travel, since the sealed/bled of air shock oil is not compressable at all to displace the volume of the shaft on travel. With no air in the oil, you never get foaming of the oil on bumpy roads, called "cavitation," which changes the dampening carachteristics. Standard emulsion shocks just have an air pocket in the oil to compress during shaft insertion/compression. The DeCarbon design separates the oil from the air to eliminate cavitation, as well as allowing you to fill them with pressurized nitrogen istead of air, so that you dont have any increase in pressures as the shocks get worked and heat up. Emulsion shocks' dampening properties are tuned for a middleground between the settled oil (slower dampening) vs the foamed oil (faster dampening). You can see the reservoir or nitro bladder non-reservoir shocks (hagon nitro, etc) will perform more consistently than the emulsion style of the cheaper shocks. If not pushing the limits nor running very bumpy roads like some old tar&chip sealed backroads out in the hills here, the emulsion shocks are plenty adequate however.

Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrn-O-B_BTI&feature=youtube_gdata_playerb
 
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