Tearing my CB360 apart Sunday; What tools are good to have?

[mrjoshzombie]

I did a bit of looking around, and only found bits and pieces of info that I was looking for and my service manual is currently at home.

Are there any specific tools I should have in my arsenal when it comes to owning a CB360? I have an array of tools from working on cars over the past 10 years but never had to worry about much of anything bike specific. I just grabbed an oil filter wrench (Motion Pro 08-0015) off of Amazon to arrive here by Saturday and I hear an impact is almost necessary given the phillips head screws. I figured I'd pick up any/everything else that may come in handy while I'm spending money.

 

[loganrm]

A spare top end We'll get to that joke later. Welcome to the forum!

How far down are you going with the motor? These motors are pretty simple and you shouldn't have any problem if you have a basic set of wrenches and such. Might want to grab some snap ring pliers.

 

[mrjoshzombie]

Ahhhh inside jokes on all these makes/models of bikes. They're both amusing and frightening at the same time haha.

I don't plan to completely, 100% disassemble it (yet, I don't think). I just want to pull off the top end, take a look on the inside, see if anything is worn/needs replaced. If all is well, start degreasing and cleaning up the motor, rebuild the carbs, so on and so forth.

Going over the service manual (went and downloaded a copy) I have everything required to get the engine actually off the frame so that's at least not an issue. I just wasn't sure of any other special tools like that oil wrench that would be a good thing to have.

I have never in my life opened up the engine of a bike and never went beyond bolt on's with cars, so this is all new to me. However, I do have a harley tech that's at least walking me through the process so I can learn.

 

[coalnation]

I've always needed an impact driver.

 

[mlinder]

http://www.amazon.com/Hozan-JIS-4-JIS-Screwdriver-3rd/dp/B00A7WAHTU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1383856097&sr=8-1&keywords=jis+screwdriver+set

 

[mrjoshzombie]

Also searching through the service manual, I just found this...

So, there's a small start of things to grab.

 

[mlinder]

Lot of those are specialty tools you will seldom use.
Unless you plan on tearing a bunch of bikes down to their base parts, I'd not bother.
You can borrow those as needed from someone else if you really need to take stuff down that far.

 

[Beaner242]

not sure about yours but my Kaw is loaded with allen head bolts, a good set of those with t-handles is my favorite. What are your plans to do to the bike overall? Do you have an air compressor? On my project I found the thing I used the most was a cutoff wheel. and air chisel a couple times and a DA sander to prep for paint.

 

[mlinder]

not sure about yours but my Kaw is loaded with allen head bolts, a good set of those with t-handles is my favorite. What are your plans to do to the bike overall? Do you have an air compressor? On my project I found the thing I used the most was a cutoff wheel. and air chisel a couple times and a DA sander to prep for paint.

Those were all added by someone

 

[mrjoshzombie]

http://www.amazon.com/Hozan-JIS-4-JIS-Screwdriver-3rd/dp/B00A7WAHTU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1383856097&sr=8-1&keywords=jis+screwdriver+set

Would that set still be necessary if I plan to replace all the engine hardware with a stainless steel allen head set?

Lot of those are specialty tools you will seldom use.
Unless you plan on tearing a bunch of bikes down to their base parts, I'd not bother.
You can borrow those as needed from someone else if you really need to take stuff down that far.

I'll take note of that. I certainly don't plan to do this as a full time hobby or anything (two jobs and two cars I mod take up a helluva lot of my time as is).

not sure about yours but my Kaw is loaded with allen head bolts, a good set of those with t-handles is my favorite. What are your plans to do to the bike overall? Do you have an air compressor? On my project I found the thing I used the most was a cutoff wheel. and air chisel a couple times and a DA sander to prep for paint.

Overall? Full tear down to the frame, replace anything worn, rebuild into a café. For this winter? Just pull the motor out, clean it up, replace anything worn out, paint, possibly replace the wiring, upgrade lights to LEDs, rebuild the front forks, get a set of clip-ons and rear sets.

No air compressor. I've never lived in a house long enough to justify the bulk of one really.

 

[mlinder]

Would that set still be necessary if I plan to replace all the engine hardware with a stainless steel allen head set?

Probably not, but, if any of the JIS hardware you have is already buggered by phillips screwdrivers, or stuck due to oxidation, a phillips may not be able to remove them where a JIS probably will.

I'll take note of that. I certainly don't plan to do this as a full time hobby or anything (two jobs and two cars I mod take up a helluva lot of my time as is).

Overall? Full tear down to the frame, replace anything worn, rebuild into a café. For this winter? Just pull the motor out, clean it up, replace anything worn out, paint, possibly replace the wiring, upgrade lights to LEDs, rebuild the front forks, get a set of clip-ons and rear sets.

Probably don't need those tools then.

No air compressor. I've never lived in a house long enough to justify the bulk of one really.

 

[loganrm]

The Allen head set is a wonderful upgrade after you hammer out the old phillips. Grab a set of T-Handle Allens...your wrist will thank you.

 

[TheCoffeeGuy]

metric on everything. As far as the Impact driver is concerned y0u don't need and Air one there are hand held ones you whack with a hammer. definitely a need if any of the Phillips head screws have never been off before, or even if some have been but were butchered.

 

[mlinder]

Just a point of fact, there are no phillips screws on these bikes. They are all JIS, which is why phillips head drivers screw them up.

 

[Rich Ard]

Just a point of fact, there are no phillips screws on these bikes. They are all JIS, which is why phillips head drivers screw them up.

+1

http://www.instructables.com/id/When-a-Phillips-is-not-a-Phillips/step10/JIS-Japanese-Industrial-Standard/

 

[frogman]

Good set of metric tools with a good set of metric Allen wrenches.

As far as engine work, there is no need to pull anything apart on a 360 if it has good compression and the recall punch marks if it is 73-early 75. Of course that is all dependent on mileage and what you find when you pull the right side engine cover to check and clean the oil filter and pickup screen. If it does above 149 psi on both sides and runs fine leave it alone. The "I want to tear into it just to check a few things out." is the first step to ruining a good engine. If you want to tear things apart go find a parts motor. If it needs obvious work then by all means take it apart.

Impact driver/screwdriver, buy one now...

http://www.harborfreight.com/impact-screwdriver-set-with-case-37530.html

 

[mrjoshzombie]

Just a point of fact, there are no phillips screws on these bikes. They are all JIS, which is why phillips head drivers screw them up.

Before this thread, I had no idea JIS even existed. I think I'm going to grab an impact and try to get all the screws out that way first, and if I strip one or two, I'll pick up a JIS set just to get everything out safely and switch it all to allen heads.

Good set of metric tools with a good set of metric Allen wrenches.

As far as engine work, there is no need to pull anything apart on a 360 if it has good compression and the recall punch marks if it is 73-early 75. Of course that is all dependent on mileage and what you find when you pull the right side engine cover to check and clean the oil filter and pickup screen. If it does above 149 psi on both sides and runs fine leave it alone. The "I want to tear into it just to check a few things out." is the first step to ruining a good engine. If you want to tear things apart go find a parts motor. If it needs obvious work then by all means take it apart.

Impact driver/screwdriver, buy one now...

http://www.harborfreight.com/impact-screwdriver-set-with-case-37530.html

You make a painfully valid point actually. I think I'll pick up a compression tester this weekend, along with that impact driver (I've survived 10 years of DIY without one, but always wanted an excuse to pick one up).

I hear a lot about the CB360 going through recall and to look for the recall punch... Does anyone happen to have a picture of what that looks like on hand? Will it be on the frame VIN or engine? What exactly did the recall take care of, and if mine wasn't done, should I source parts to take care of it? (I'll be search all of this after I finish my coffee as well, still waking up is all).

 

[HerrDeacon]

Check out this page for some 360 Bulletins, one of the PDF's shows the punch marks: http://www.hondatwins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=4476

 

[ILoveThumpers]

The Allen head set is a wonderful upgrade after you hammer out the old phillips. Grab a set of T-Handle Allens...your wrist will thank you.

When you're replacing a JIS or Philips head screw with an Allen head bolt, you need to be very careful about the amount of torque you put on it. A T-handle allen wrench will allow you to put 10x or more torque on the fastener than the straight handled variety.

It's not really a problem for the fasteners, especially if you're using stainless. The issue is the threads in the part. Any corrosion, damage, etc will compromise the strength of the threads and make them easier to strip. A T-handle Allen wrench is a quick way to strip an aluminum thread for sure.

Look for a set of Allen wrenches with straight handles. You get the benefit of the Allen head and don't have to worry about stripping a part.

And always use anti-sieze on stainless bolts in aluminum parts that have heat cycle.

-Deek

 

[TheCoffeeGuy]

and I quote

"JIS screwdrivers are definitely different from the standard Phillips head type, although the differences in actual performance can vary depending on the fastener in question.

With many of the large screws on the GS550 engine, neither screwdriver had an advantage. The small and shallow screws are the places where the JIS screwdriver shined in our test.

I would still recommend having one of these screwdrivers in your tool collection if you work on Japanese products. Even if the screw heads on your current machine are in perfect shape, using a JIS cross-head screwdriver on them can help reduce damage when the time comes for repair."

IMO I have preserved the integrity of may Japanese bike"JIS screw heads using the hand held impact ram. Which as I look at the tips, of the "Phillips" style tip, it is actually designed as the JIS is with no fillet in the angle of the head. see picture attached