What if? (Side car question, little snowmobile too...)
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Rat - one important element ....... consider your outfit as a vehicle in it's own right - NOT a solo with a chair bolted on. The resulting "chassis" should be stress designed as a whole.
Here's a pic of something similar I have in mind for my roadgoing Max Deubel kneeler homage. This is a Classic Kneeler chassis designed and built by the UK's premier sidecar designer / builder Terry Windle. He's churning out 10 - 15 of these a year alongside his modern creations for Classic Racing. As I posted elsewhere, I have a handle on a set of 60's Deaubel style fairings.
I have an R80 Boxer engine / box with all the tuning goodies and I'm slowly collecting the parts. I actually have an R100RS frame that I'll probably chop up and integrate into something along the lines of the Windle. Mine will be a low sitter - as Max' championship winning bike.
I had seriously thought of using a BMW K1100 powerplant [ "Brick" ] as a basis, but that would be one project [ ?? ] too many !
Here's a pic of something similar I have in mind for my roadgoing Max Deubel kneeler homage. This is a Classic Kneeler chassis designed and built by the UK's premier sidecar designer / builder Terry Windle. He's churning out 10 - 15 of these a year alongside his modern creations for Classic Racing. As I posted elsewhere, I have a handle on a set of 60's Deaubel style fairings.
I have an R80 Boxer engine / box with all the tuning goodies and I'm slowly collecting the parts. I actually have an R100RS frame that I'll probably chop up and integrate into something along the lines of the Windle. Mine will be a low sitter - as Max' championship winning bike.
I had seriously thought of using a BMW K1100 powerplant [ "Brick" ] as a basis, but that would be one project [ ?? ] too many !
jay_kent
1979 cb650
Morgan said:
http://guelph.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-ATVs-snowmobiles-snowmobiles-Mercury-220ER-Dock-Crasher-Snowmobile-W0QQAdIdZ303471587
Hoofhearted said:
Yea, i've been looking at things like that but it's going onto a ratty '79 cb650, trying to keep things looking together.
Now enough with threadjacking, I'm interested in this here rat project.
crazypj
Split personality, I fake being smart
Garage Rat said:
I think there are only 3 of us who have ridden outfits regularly (Hoof, Beach and me? ;D )
Leading link forks are more rigid, telescopic forks pretzle like crazy even with braces on a heavy/loaded outfit.
You also need way less trail to compensate for extra weight on front end, depending on 'lead' of sidecar wheel compared to rear axle (more lead is more stable but loads front end more)
Looks like Erskine started something 8)
I was searching some old hard drives last night (20~40 gig)
Found a complete set up manual from Sidecar club of America from 200?
http://www.sidecar.com/links3.asp
http://www.sidecar.com/Files/SC%20Manual.pdf
These are on the 'wrong' side for me, I've never driven a right hand chair ;D
Basement rat
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jay_kent said:
This is not about "my" project (which wont happen for at least a year) It is about the idea of using a racing sled hood as a fairing on a side car for an up right endurance racing styled bike.
(Besides, I'd rather learn from your mistakes than mine...)
lingo said:I just found this one for sale locally to me, for your inspiration.
how much, how much, how much..........................................
Very nice!! Where is "locally"? BC, that would suit you down to the ground except the chair is on the wrong side. I guess you'd have to keep it on the continent.
lingo
social pariah
Hoofhearted said:
Atlanta, GA
They don't list a price.
http://www.bluemooncycle.com/preowned.html at the bottom of page two
Basement rat
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Ive seen a 1977 CB125 listed for $1,000. I wouldn't bother asking about that BMW. Probably over 25k.
Erskine
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beachcomber said:Rat - one important element ....... consider your outfit as a vehicle in it's own right - NOT a solo with a chair bolted on. The resulting "chassis" should be stress designed as a whole.
Here's a pic of something similar I have in mind for my roadgoing Max Deubel kneeler homage. This is a Classic Kneeler chassis designed and built by the UK's premier sidecar designer / builder Terry Windle. He's churning out 10 - 15 of these a year alongside his modern creations for Classic Racing. As I posted elsewhere, I have a handle on a set of 60's Deaubel style fairings.
I have an R80 Boxer engine / box with all the tuning goodies and I'm slowly collecting the parts. I actually have an R100RS frame that I'll probably chop up and integrate into something along the lines of the Windle. Mine will be a low sitter - as Max' championship winning bike.
I had seriously thought of using a BMW K1100 powerplant [ "Brick" ] as a basis, but that would be one project [ ?? ] too many !
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Hoofhearted said:
Actually that had occurred to me when I build the Max bike. I will probably be living in Saxony by then ! That's one sweet uotfit, however I fear it will have several zero's too many on the end of the price !
Basement rat
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I found this on the ADV:
Maybe use a softail shock on the bottom of the swinger instead to keep the C of G nice and low?
If I used a disc break I could have a brake pedal on the hack with its own reservoir.
I know a guy with a mandril tube bender...
I gotta finish my bike! Who has advice on building a fairing bracket for my project?
Maybe use a softail shock on the bottom of the swinger instead to keep the C of G nice and low?
If I used a disc break I could have a brake pedal on the hack with its own reservoir.
I know a guy with a mandril tube bender...
I gotta finish my bike! Who has advice on building a fairing bracket for my project?
I mounted the fairing on the Norton the old fashioned way. 1" x 1/8" flat and 1/2" conduit. Cut to length weld the flat to one end of the tubing. On the fairing side I have a piece of flat with a piece of solid round stock welded to it. Can't remember the exact dia. but its a slip fit inside the conduit. Drill a small hole through the tubing and the solid and fit a slip pin and bingo you have your fairing mount. The fairing is off in seconds and if the sturdiness is in question. That mount has made passes at Bonneville and El Mirage for years with no breakage.
By weslake at 2010-10-23
By weslake at 2010-10-23
By weslake at 2010-10-23
By weslake at 2010-10-23
jay_kent
1979 cb650
Hoofhearted said:I mounted the fairing on the Norton the old fashioned way. 1" x 1/8" flat and 1/2" conduit. Cut to length weld the flat to one end of the tubing. On the fairing side I have a piece of flat with a piece of solid round stock welded to it. Can't remember the exact dia. but its a slip fit inside the conduit. Drill a small hole through the tubing and the solid and fit a slip pin and bingo you have your fairing mount. The fairing is off in seconds and if the sturdiness is in question. That mount has made passes at Bonneville and El Mirage for years with no breakage.
By weslake at 2010-10-23
By weslake at 2010-10-23
That's cool and so dead simple
They don't call me simple for nothing.
Basement rat
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Its the main one for my bike. I have to deal with the forks too...
