What is a Cafe Racer......discuss.

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TJ - Beachcomber
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Here we go, just what IS a Cafe Racer? [ probably been discussed before - if so accept my apologies ].

Here's my take on the subject. My credentials............... I was a Cafe Racer / Coffee Bar Cowboy / Ton Up kid back in the day as I started riding legally in 1960. I built literally hundreds of "specials" which later became known as Cafe Racers, so I have a pretty defined idea of what a Cafe Racer WAS - but I'm equally open minded to what a Cafe Racer has become and all it's evolutions over the decades.

so -
1. Original 1960's Cafe Racer - factory modified bike modified privately in the style of a circuit racing bike - these would be Manx Norton, AJS 7R, Matchless G50, etc. ALL out of reach financially of your average motorcycle enthusiast.
Essentially these would have Clip-Ons, rear set rests, a large alloy / GRP tank and a SINGLE race style seat and a reverse cone megga exhaust or a Goldie silencer. Most would have lights, but not all and alloy rims on the wire spoked wheels would be the [ expensive ] icing on the cake.
Sidecar outfits also came in for the same treatment and were very popular in the mid 60's as fitting a chair got you 50% discount on your insurance!
Engine tuning was largely a home grown affair - or at least you "knew a mate who could".

The 60's spawned a rash of Hybrids - the most popular being Tritons and Tribsas - although Tricatis, Trifields and others were popular. It was an era of cheap gas, and no speed limits on the open roads.

2. The '70's saw the first of the Japanese bikes to get the Cafe Racer treatment, but most were similar to the 60's bikes but with the addition of lifesaving disc brakes [ front at least ] The late 60's and early 70's also saw the dawn of the specialist suppliers - like Dresda, Unity and others. Bikes could then be put together much more simply by mail ordering your parts, rather than make them yourself. The beginning of the "let's all be different together" Cafe Racer.

3. The '80's saw the emergence of the newer Japanese Factory Race replicas, and bikes suddenly sported twin disc front and maybe disc rear as well as almost universally - alloy cast wheels. Brit Bikes were getting very thin on the ground AND expensive, so older Cafe Racers turned to the Italian bikes - where the touring versions could be bought very cheaply AND offered a bit of "class" against the Japanese Imports.

4. The 90's and up - yes, here we have the modern Cafe Racer - The Race Replica.

So here we are all together on this site, but creating vastly differing "Cafe Racers" - and some are an amalgam [ sometimes NOT very harmonious ] of eras and styles.
Point in case - the cover Bonnie on the Cafe Racer Magazine - there's so much wrong with the mixed styles, it's difficult to know where to start - so I won't.

Personally I don't care what pigeon hole you want to put a bike into - as far as I'm concerned once someone puts their stamp on a machine - admire or loathe it for what it is, not the effort to create it.

To me a Cafe Racer will always fall under the heading of #1 - oh yes, I WILL accept a disc front brake...............................
 
I stand by DrJ's definition of a cafe racer... ANYTHING with lots of checker on it!!..

;D
 
"Cafe Racer" sounds like running from one cafe/ hang out to the next...

Also, Seems in its essence it would be any sportier bike that is stripped of all crap except that needed to go fast.

So new ones would fit just fine even tho they come with most of the goodies already Rear sets, clip ons, mono seat, etc... Just a little more modern looking.
 
Welcome to the site

The subject has come up once or twice ;D

I don't think you really left anything to discuss.
Definitions are pretty good in my opinion.

My father always had bikes and people around fixing them for no money.
I'm with you on first description
(particularly 'the chair', until I got more brothers and sisters, then he got a Panther with Busmar double adult :D)

Never really got 'into' Triumphs, ( my brother had a couple though) they always seemed to be broken, only a couple of people he knew could afford Nortons :D (we always had BSA or Ariel singles/twins and a Velo one time, weird clutch on it)

I didn't start riding until 1968 ('off road' around local vicarage ;D)
Had a lot of C15's, ( 'race parts available' 8)) Enfield (crusader/sports/supa 5,etc)
Most 70's inline 4's don't really 'fit' the 'classic' image I have (although Dresda CB500f was real nice and I did put Borrani's on my CB550)
 
Thats an awesome definition of it, beachcomber, and I'd back that up 100% - modern bikes have gone in the cafe direction if you take into account what the progenitors were trying to acheive. I still prefer the originals to the modern plasticated brigade of replicas, though.

What I'm chasing would be definition 2 - jap bikes with the good bits thrown at them and some fine tuning. Preferably spoked wheels and definitely aircooling...although some new watercooled mills can look pretty good.

Cheers - boingk
 
Nice clarification from someone who 'was there' in the mix.
My biggest problem is Johnny Come Lately who vehemently swears one bike is or isn't a "cafe racer".....
Depending on what your criterion is, we haven't seen a true Kaff racer since what....'63-'64 or so?

Personally I don't really care what label someone wants to slap on their bike, but at this point it's all a matter of homage.

Mr.Comber.....you're a boon to the site, thanks for your experienced and kindly made input.
 
"What is a Cafe Racer?"...

I'm reminded of a quote from Associate Justice Potter Stewart in the obscenity case of Jacobellis v. Ohio.
Stewart wrote in his short concurrence that "hard-core pornography" was hard to define, but that "I know it when I see it."

And since most of us would agree that a Cafe Racer is like Porn... the same could be said about both ;)
 
Redbird said:
"What is a Cafe Racer?"...

I'm reminded of a quote from Associate Justice Potter Stewart in the obscenity case of Jacobellis v. Ohio.
Stewart wrote in his short concurrence that "hard-core pornography" was hard to define, but that "I know it when I see it."

yes!

To me, a cafe racer is a garage-built special, modifying a stock motorcycle to enhance performance. Form follows function, with characteristic performance and styling trends from the late 50's until the mid 70's. I'll add more to this later but for now I'll hear out what others have to say.
 
So I guess mine is about a 1.5 ;) Somewhere between a 1960's authentic and a 1970's Japanese wanna-be ;)

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Tim said:
So I guess mine is about a 1.5 ;) Somewhere between a 1960's authentic and a 1970's Japanese wanna-be ;)

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id say your bike is 0% cafe racer... I see no checker board anywhere...
 
I think that we are far enough removed from the real cafe racer era that it as grown to actually actually include subsections of this genre. The earliest version is one style of cafe, original, and true to form. Then there are the little cafe's that will never do the Ton, but look pretty cool. There are the big 4's that do the ton with ease, but do not look the part of the originals. And on and on. Cafe racer is an umbrella name for a style trend or idea, with many subsections, much in the same way as a "cruiser" or the like. And I think that each category has its own unique signature that reflects the owner/builder's take on the idea. But that is just my .02, of course.

Oh, and hats off to Beachcomber for not using his "Hell I was there" card to cram an idea down anyone's throat. Well spoken, man.
 
I think I`d lump in with the crowd that believes there`s no point in saying `this is authentic and this isn`t`.

I think if there`s one thing I`ll never do with an old bike, it`s return it to stock, oem spec, or make a perfectly authentic replica of a cafe bike.



I think we can all agree though that we`re closer to the spirit of the cafe racers than most (and I say most because there are some legitimately awesome builders still out there) chopper riders are to the original chopper and bobber scene.
 
beachcomber said:
modified privately in the style of a circuit racing bike - these would be Manx Norton, AJS 7R, Matchless G50, etc. ALL out of reach financially of your average motorcycle enthusiast.

Very true words. It took me two years and 425 quid to get this on the road. I bought the engine from a guy in North Yorkshire for 35 quid!! Try that today.

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By weslake at 2008-02-11
 
Hell that's shaken the tree a bit ;D

Tim - nothing I'd change on your bike [ maybe the front fork brace] That bike has it's heart and spirit firmly in the 60's - cool bike.

Chequer board [ stripe ?] - NEVER saw it on an English Cafe Racer. Maybe around the rim of the "Pudding Basin" helmets.

Yes the ORIGINAL "Cafe Racer" term was penned by ourselves. That was in response to the
sensationalist headlines from the Daily papers - Coffee Bar Cowbays, Ton Up Kids.

And yes, the original term did come about as a result of racing from one Caff to another.

Now then - although that is MY definition of the true Cafe Racer - I still admire and appreciate the effort that goes into creating a "special" - whatever it's era.

BTW - Hoofhearted [ the old ones are the best ] - I can match your International Norton engine purchase. I was GIVEN two by some guy driving past my house whilst I was busy on the roadside retiming my Inter after it had dropped yet another valve.! I had no workshop at the time and was living with my Gran. The kitchen table served as a workbench, but assembly had to take place outside on the kerb [ pavement]. He took pity on me and took me back to his house in his Issetta Bubble car! The car was too small to get the engines in, so I had to take my Gran's wheelbarrow round and bring the engines back in that ! That was a 3 mile round trip - but well worth it. He also showed me where I was going wrong with the vernier valve timing - no more dropped valves !

Later I bought another from a pal for £25, but as we still had no 4 wheel transport, the engine had to be collected on the back of my pal's Enfield Crusader - but that's another story...........
 
Beachcomber has used a term that I find more and more fitting each time I see/participate in :-[ yet another ridiculous argument about what is and isn't a caferacer.

The Special

A roll-your-own bike built to an aesthetic that you as the rider find appealing. Inspired by the Kaff Racers (Coffee Cowboys!!!) of the 59 club or the Captain America bike from Easy Rider, or Collin Seeley's brilliant Mk.IV etc etc etc.

Yeah....from now on I build "Specials", inspired by (insert cool old bike here)!
 
Tim said:
So I guess mine is about a 1.5 ;) Somewhere between a 1960's authentic and a 1970's Japanese wanna-be ;)

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two cylinders, check
alloy tank, check
rearsets, check
clip-on's, check
1960's motor, check
guess it's pretty authentic ;D

PJ
 
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