Thanks for the reply, Sparky.
Have a nice day.
PMA conversion.
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By getting butt hurt. You went straight to assuming I was making a statement about chinese parts, when I was just pointing out practical experience with failures in the particular parts (that happen to be chinese) you are using for this mod. I didn't even say they are chinese parts. You did. I encouraged caution without criticism, because we can all imagine the mess an exploding rotor can cause. You assumed it was criticism, so you popped and ignored most everything I wrote in my posts. My statement about experience was to hopefuly illustrate that I have experienced the issue first hand and that I wasn't just pulling my comments from my ass or some random Google search. It's you who made the first smart ass comments. This isn't on us.
Here you are assuming everyone is silly as you and installing an alternator that gives no benefit. Pretty stupid! You're also making statements that are not true in fact, never heard of an alternator flying apart Chinese or other. And like I said, where do you think Mikes, 650direct, et Al, get their alternators from. Again pretty stupid!
And then there's you statement about how long you've been around and working on bikes. Absolutely ridiculously stupid. That's five minutes in my book.
Then there's you boomer comment: Not only stupid, but incredibly ignorant.
Then your idiot mates chimed in.
To each of these nonsensical posts, I simply replied in kind. If you don't like being insulted, then don't make ridiculous statements because you insult others by doing so. Seems to me you are the one 'butt hurt'.
But this is the end of it as far as I'm concerned I've put you on my ignore list so I won't see any more of your drivel, but I'm sure you won't be able to resist continuing on with it.
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Not sure if he's going to see this since I'm blocked, but I'll say it anyway. The issue with the cheap, wherever they're made, rotors is they aren't always balanced. I sent the last one I installed out to be balanced. I've also seen windings on the cheaper stators wound in such a way that the wires engage the inside of the rotor and wears through the insulation.
Those that know me, know I run a high school EV racing team that runs Chinese motors and controllers and most of throttles have been Chinese. I have zero issues with Chinese, Indonesian, Taiwan or Indian made parts. I'm just more discerning when I buy them because they typically have less quality control than western made parts.
Those that know me, know I run a high school EV racing team that runs Chinese motors and controllers and most of throttles have been Chinese. I have zero issues with Chinese, Indonesian, Taiwan or Indian made parts. I'm just more discerning when I buy them because they typically have less quality control than western made parts.
Hey Irk,
I am glad to know that you and I are now mates.
I had an interesting conversation with a guy at the Mid-Ohio swap meet that was selling Chinese rims and clip-ons. He lived in China and worked directly with the manufacturers. His take on it is that you can get any quality of product if you are willing to pay for it, including top level certified quality. With chinese products, basically, you get what you pay for.
Your new mate,
Ken
P.S. I quoted you so the op will see your post unless he put me on ignore, too.
benroloff
Been Around the Block
As one of the resident young guys here, I can confidently say my experience with all this pales in comparison to you all, but I’ll throw my $.02 in here anyways.
I’m in school for engineering, and I have some good insight into that world through family and friends as well. So much of what we buy and produce now comes from China. I have family that works for large American companies that do all of their production in China, and insight from them says exactly what you said Ken. You get what you pay for. Big companies based in the U.S. can have a ton of insight into what happens in Chinese factories, and work closely with engineers located and working in those factories. This drives up cost, but also ensures better quality and quality control. I work at a company that produces products on a completely different scale, but largely everything we do is made right here in the states. We have plenty of quality and qc issues here too, and while it’s more easily controlled as we can correct it on site, it still exists just the same.
When we buy super cheap stuff from China or the likes, it’s not unlikely that we’re buying something from the same factory off the same line that produces the stuff that is sold for more money by an American company. Logic says then that we’re buying the exact same thing, just for cheaper because we’re getting it direct. But, and this is the important part, it is also entirely likely that it failed qc or was not to the spec that the American company requires. I’m not saying this is true every time, but it definitely happens. So while we might be getting the exact same part as someone like mikes or the other companies mentioned here earlier (pick your poison) is selling, it may very well not be of the same quality.
Like I said, take this all with a grain of salt. This is mostly conjecture based on things that we know to be fact, and coming from someone with a whole lot less experience than you guys.
Anyways, just my opinion. You can totally get lucky and get great stuff for cheap, but sometimes you’ll get a flop too
I agree. I very intentionally said cheap Ebay part, and not cheap Chinese part in my op. And to your point, China is a now an upper middle income country. They've modernized their process over the last 40 years and produce far more quality goods. They don't have the cheap labor they once did, so a low cost Chinese product is the same as a low cost American one. They aren't cheap because the labor cost is low anymore. American companies are benefitting from the concentration and volume of work force and a robust infrastructure. Cheap ebay parts can be great, but they can also be garbage. It's not uncommon for me to buy several of the same parts from different venders in search of a quality source. In the case of the PMA rotors, I buy lightened and balanced Chinese Banshee rotors but they cost $80 - $100. The last $40 Ebay rotor I bought needed to be balanced, which is why I promote caution and thorough monitoring and inspection.As one of the resident young guys here, I can confidently say my experience with all this pales in comparison to you all, but I’ll throw my $.02 in here anyways.
I’m in school for engineering, and I have some good insight into that world through family and friends as well. So much of what we buy and produce now comes from China. I have family that works for large American companies that do all of their production in China, and insight from them says exactly what you said Ken. You get what you pay for. Big companies based in the U.S. can have a ton of insight into what happens in Chinese factories, and work closely with engineers located and working in those factories. This drives up cost, but also ensures better quality and quality control. I work at a company that produces products on a completely different scale, but largely everything we do is made right here in the states. We have plenty of quality and qc issues here too, and while it’s more easily controlled as we can correct it on site, it still exists just the same.
When we buy super cheap stuff from China or the likes, it’s not unlikely that we’re buying something from the same factory off the same line that produces the stuff that is sold for more money by an American company. Logic says then that we’re buying the exact same thing, just for cheaper because we’re getting it direct. But, and this is the important part, it is also entirely likely that it failed qc or was not to the spec that the American company requires. I’m not saying this is true every time, but it definitely happens. So while we might be getting the exact same part as someone like mikes or the other companies mentioned here earlier (pick your poison) is selling, it may very well not be of the same quality.
Like I said, take this all with a grain of salt. This is mostly conjecture based on things that we know to be fact, and coming from someone with a whole lot less experience than you guys.
Anyways, just my opinion. You can totally get lucky and get great stuff for cheap, but sometimes you’ll get a flop too
