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Re: 360 bobber/Brat new tires update

I first saw this bike in The Horse Magazine. I'm not a Harley guy at all but I would read the Horse and Barnetts because of some of the builds. Barnett's was more refined with pro builds where as the horse builds were backyard guys and some of the stuff they would come up with is pretty amazing. I dropped Barnett when I picked up an issue and they were writing about an event the Horse puts on every year as theirs.

I'm big on giving credit where credit is due so, and actually in this months copy of the Horse #93 November, they have a couple good articles all about drive chains and about offset triple trees when putting on forks not made for you bike and trying to get the right trail angle.

If you want a copy I could scan them in a pdf them to anybody.

Jay
 
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Jay thanks for posting that. Really cool find!
I agree Kanticoy the links are a little suspect on being on the light side. And I don't like the wingnuts used there. The bottom of the girders just doesn't right to me as well. That being said I think the design looks killer. I'd like to know what kind of rake they are running but yeah man the springs in the back really looks good. Defently worth a second look for sure. I really like Love the rawness of that bike. I just wish the welds would look a little better. We'll just leave it at that.
 
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Hey Jay, I couldn't agree more about giving credit where credit is do. Sucks that Barnetts would do that. Is the issue of the Horse still avail? I would live to order a copy if it is still avail.

To answere the question about updates, the bike has been sitting in the garage hiding from the snow. I'm still working out some ideas for later this winter.

I just took a closer look and the wingnuts are safety wired and the links are actually a little heavier than I first though. As far as astethics go I really like the design...alot.
 
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Hahaha. Booger welds.

And +1 on no wing nuts...I see parts being scattered for miles....

It's just the way that the springs are compressed from the top down instead of the traditional stationary upper. I like that. Seems efficient. Makes me wonder about using dampening in both directions...like a push/pull type setup. Push on compression of the fork, and pull on the release. Like a home-made shock....

And speaking of shocks...this would most certainly need some sort of dampening system...It would be like a pogo stick out of control without it....unless you used the two way spring design as stated above.

Wow, very good food for thought.
 
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Kanticoy said:
Hahaha. Booger welds.

And +1 on no wing nuts...I see parts being scattered for miles....
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hahaaha, I hear ya. I looked again and they are safety wired.
 
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Yeah, I think you're right about him doing it on purpose Jay. The only thing that really scares the crap out of me is his handlebar....err...mounting. it looks like he ran the bead across it as fast as he could without turning the shielding gas on. Yowza!
 
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I really like the looks of that Slimsfab girder (maybe my favorite)but it requires major work on the steertube. I'm not sure it would be worth the trouble when there are so many cool designs out there. But thanks for posting that Jay and please keep on throwing ideas at me. I love it when the community comes together!

So..., I'm still considering building the girder this winter but before I can even consider such a thing the ride height has to be set. I'm considering 11" shocks to increase spring rate and maybe lower the bike even more. I'm curious to know how it might look and what it would do to the articulation.
To get an idea I cut the factory springs at 11" eye to eye. However, the way the frame is braced there is not enough clearance for the shocks to work (about 1-1.5" between the fender and the frame/seat). It does appear however that articulation would still be ok if I had the clearance. So if I go to an 11" shock in the rear I will have to do a little mod to the frame brace between the two shocks and move the kick stand. It is too low at this ride height. But the work wouldn't be that big of a deal.
So the snow melted today and I got the itch to take her out. I just welded em up solid and took her for a spin. I love the stance and in person it really did make a big difference. I'm liking it alot!
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In case anyone is wondering I first cut 1-1.5 coils out and it made the shocks too short to properly hold the retainer clips. Not a good thing.
 
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I just love the look of this bike. Long, low, like a cat on a prowl.

Anyways I'd like to help you with your girder situation, if you send me some dimensions and a rough sketch of what you're looking at doing I can rock it up in solidworks to give you a pretty good approximation of trail, articulation and spring compression. That way you can test to see what you're looking for before you start hitting the steel. Just send me a pm.

Jay
 
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Thanks for the props Jay. Much appreciated!

And wow...thank you very much for the offer. That would be awesome. I've not done any measurements yet because I knew the back end might change some. Jason from Dime city sent me some stuff a while back that I kind of liked. But my favorite so far is the slimsfab girder. However, I'm pretty certain the front end of the bike is not getting cut off ;D
At some point I'll make a decision and defently hit you up. Thanks again!
 
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Good info on the Goldammer bike, shoulda known he'd have something cool like that. Now.....to adapt something like that to our bikes......
 
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Wow, that is just plain sick. I think it is doable on a CB if you did a couple of things. I'd upgrade to tapered bearings, and then you'd need a stiff enough spring that would fit INSIDE of the stem...probably have to be a double spring similar to a valve spring. But then redesign the top tree to hold the articulation points. Damn that is slick!
 
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My buddy runs a leaf spring front end on his harley! he stays the ride is really nice... plus they look cool. to me, i like a girder or springer much better than the leaf spring. just too much going on for me
 
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troy you need another set of the stock shocks man i cand do some digging?
 
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troybilt said:
Hey Jay, I couldn't agree more about giving credit where credit is do. Sucks that Barnetts would do that. Is the issue of the Horse still avail? I would live to order a copy if it is still avail.

To answere the question about updates, the bike has been sitting in the garage hiding from the snow. I'm still working out some ideas for later this winter.

I just took a closer look and the wingnuts are safety wired and the links are actually a little heavier than I first though. As far as astethics go I really like the design...alot.
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that Horse magazine with the tips is their november issue.

Jay
 
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Hey Jay, I'll defently have to pick up that issue. thanks.

Thanks for the offer Joe. Very cool bud and that is why I love this forum. I had my eyes on the ones on ebay but they endedup going for some pretty good cash and I'm still not 100% on the direction I'd like to go. I love the way she looks and hell I've even considered running it as it is. As far the offer goes Kanticoy offered a set once I make some decisions. So I should be ok. But thanks man. Says a lot about you!
 
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