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Re: 360 beat the clock update 04/07/10



Curbcast said:
Do what you do Troy, were trying to be fire.
You don't know how much I appreciate that fire man. Not only does it help it keeps me moviated too. I'm at a point in the spring where bike build time is winding down and I'll have very little time to build or ride. This is my only bike at the moment and she is begging to hit some pavement. So at this point I really don't see any reason to drag this out deciding on and building new bars. I plan to take Mothgils advice and mount up a set and ride it for a while. Super easy to swap out if I decide to do so or later on maybe do something different.
Like I said I really appreciate the advice/motivation. This bike wouldn't be what it is without my DTT crew and I'm forever greatful!

I plan to start wiring tomorrow. Then hopefully the shocks will get here soon so I can hit the open road ;D
 
Re: 360 beat the clock update 04/07/10

hey man,

wicked job on the bars.
i think that the bars fit the bike really well, i like the clubmans on it. but i think i would go with these ones.
i really like them.
i would set them up and ride to see how they are. the cooler is not only the better.
any way, get to riding, nice weather is coming.

later.
 
Re: 360 beat the clock update 04/07/10

supercafe said:
hey man,

wicked job on the bars.
i think that the bars fit the bike really well, i like the clubmans on it. but i think i would go with these ones.
i really like them.
i would set them up and ride to see how they are. the cooler is not only the better.
any way, get to riding, nice weather is coming.

later.

Thanks man. I really like them. I need to redo the risers because I have the bars slightly off center. It is ever so slightly off so much so I never noticed until today. Wish I would have noticed before finishing the welds :( Anyhow thanks for the kind words.


Better hide the women and children because BTC has life running through her veins ;D. I spent the morning doing the wiring and it seems everything works. Coils are hot off a hidden switch and the "power on" idiot light mounted in the headlight bucket works. The headlamp, running lights, and brake light all work. Whoohooo! i should be good to go very soon. I swear the bike lost 5 pounds in wiring and it looks so much cleaner. Huge thank you to Kiley for the wiring diagram! Couldn't have done it without ya bud! Super, super easy. thank you!
Kiley is also sending some cloth wire loom that he had left over. Should look killer! What would we do without our DTT family! Again thanks Kiley!!
Once the loom arrives I'll wrap the wires and mount the tank. Hopefully the shocks will arrive by then and I'll be ripping up the roads. ;D
Until then and in my spare time I plan to make new risers and reweld the fu bars. So for now the clubmans are painted and looking all shiny
 
Re: 360 beat the clock update 04/07/10

Another update. Its nearing the end my friends! The bike is just about ready to ride. This evening i spent time going over every nut and bolt. Changed the oil, mounted the seat, and handle bars. I also changed out my spacers for the headlight. I was usinga couple pieces of 1/2" pipe but After seeing Gretta I decided that the brass bushings Kiley used were very cool. I just so happened to have a couple laying around. I had to shorten them up a bit with the grinder. The brass really fits the bill.
Anyhow I'm amazed at how easy it will be to hide the wiring. There is so little of it now. The headlight has 2 wires going in. One is an extra ground and the other a hot wire. There is also one wire exiting making the grand total of 3 wires. That one is for the brake light. I'm so stoked about how much better the wiring is now (If it will only start ::) I've got my fingers crossed!).

At the moment I'm trying to decide if I should pull the carbs and fix some scratches on the top. I buggered them up when I laid a piece of steel over them in order to protect them from the welder. Once I got done welding I should have lifted it instead of dragging the metal across the top of the carbs :(. Anyway, now they have some pretty good scratches. I could just say f it, Put on my crappy welded solid shocks go ride tomorrow then fix it later ???
I'll try to post up a some photos for you guys tomorrow.
 
Re: 360 beat the clock update 04/07/10

Ok kids gather around... ;D

I'm going to try to sneak in some riser making time this week for the fu bars. I have a pm in to Swagger about machining some riser bushings because the rubber ones with these tall bars suck. I'm also checking into internal throttle cables because when all the cables and such are mounted on the fu bars they look cluttered. So all I have for you now is clubmans. Once I get the fu bars done I'll mount them up and shoot some photos for everone to decide which they like. I've had a lot of time to think about bars and it will be between the two bars I have. I love the clubmans because they are low, racy and represent the cafe if there is any still left in the heart of this bike. I left them a little wide because I think it looks a little vintage. And to me they are like the FU bars in that they are an Fu to the status quo. I also love the fu bars. Kanticoy and Swagger and all the others who think they fit the bike in my opinion are correct. I think Kanticoy said something about a middle finger to the status quo. I totally agree. To pull off the look though I'll need to clean up the cables a little more.

Once the fu bars are done I post the pics and let you all decide. But for the most part I think I've achived my goals when I set out to clean and refine the bike. It still needs the powder coated shocks from Joe and the wires put in the loom. The headlight bucket still needs lace and cleared. The battery needs swaped out for the tiny battery but its very close and I'm pretty happy with my work.
Edit: I should clairfy that the status quo I'm refering to is the some old same old ideals of our plastic corporate america.

Still dusty after a long winters nap but here she is:



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Re: 360 beat the clock update 04/07/10

man as i was getting caught up on this thread i was loving the FU bars... but then i saw you painted the bars on the clubs black... i think that the clubmans work well on this scoot, hell you can even flip them over if you are going on a long ride and do not want to be leaned over like htat. love the seat! LOVE IT!!! very nice work on that one. I was out of town this weekend, sorry i did not get back to you, i am shooting a bunch of my stuff for my HD this week and your shocks are in the mix wiht that stuff bud... high gloss black!~
 
Re: 360 beat the clock update 04/07/10

JRK5892 said:
man as i was getting caught up on this thread i was loving the FU bars... but then i saw you painted the bars on the clubs black... i think that the clubmans work well on this scoot, hell you can even flip them over if you are going on a long ride and do not want to be leaned over like htat. love the seat! LOVE IT!!! very nice work on that one. I was out of town this weekend, sorry i did not get back to you, i am shooting a bunch of my stuff for my HD this week and your shocks are in the mix wiht that stuff bud... high gloss black!~
Thanks Joe. I really appreciate it. Don't give up on the FU bars yet. I still have some work to do on them. If I don't run the FUs all the time I'll probably at the very least swap them out once in awhile. I'm so glad you like the the clubmans though. The clubmans are kind of like the seat in that they work on this scoot. About that seat, I loved Swaggers idea and was on my way to building it but by chance this one happened. I really liked it a lot and decided not to go anyfurther. Such a kick ass idea of using the skateboard deck. In fact, did i thank you yet Swag?? Killer idea bud. Thank you!

I'm so stoked to see those shocks man. They will be the icing on the cake.

Got a couple of things knocked out today before I have to go aff and work on the hydraulic lines on the tractor. Got the risers cut off the bars and removed the carbs to repaint the tops. Figure I'll give the carbs a little bath since I've got them off.

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You know your garage is bad when you resort to using a feed sack for a work bench. Top of the carbs will look new again in no time
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Went ahead and grabed a pic of the wiring. I think I bought up every piece of heat shrink in town.

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Re: 360 beat the clock update 04/07/10

Troy, I am a fan of the lower bars on BTC, and I have to say I do love the FU bars, but I think BTC is more suited to the low bars. With that said I do understand that due to your condition, lower bars are uncomfortable and that means less time spent in the saddle. TBC needs to have the wind in her face with you on her back, so by all means make the ride comfortable. Looks are a big part of a custom bike, but I am one to say that if you sacrifice comfort for looks you are no longer building a bike, but a artistic statue of a bike! You can't ride an uncomfortable bike no more than you can a statue, so what separates the two? Now, as far as the clubmans go, I say there is not much difference in those and the clip-ons when it come to carpel-tunnel, so a whole new set of bars seems to be the answer! When I made the statement about the beach cruiser looking bars from curbcast's drawing, I had all of this in mind. They should look great and feel better than any bar you have run yet! If you have never ridden on beach cruiser bars, you should try them. The BC bars allow you to sit more upright putting all of your weight over your seat so none of your weight is transferred to your hands, which the clip-ons, clubmans, and drag bars all do! I say give it a try, if you bring the bars back over the top of the tank a bit, you will have no weight on your wrist and it will look old school Hollywood too! Some simple 7/8 tube and a little sand filled bending, and BAM, you have beach cruiser bars. Also, if you build them like curbcast's designed, that will be the first BC bars I have ever seen that mount underneath the headlight, which I find completely SICK! Sorry for the long post, but I know you like the imput! ;D
 
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Oh yeah, that black paint definitely did it for the bars man. This bike was just begging to be blacked out. It's mean, and chrome is too glamorous for her! I am seriously digging that look!

Brandon, as far as the clubmans vs. clipons, I have to disagree about the comfort level of them. The clubmans are still low bars, but they are riser mount bars. Clipons, being directly mounted to the fork, you get a LOT of vibration from them which is great for racing and canyon carving because of the responsiveness, but as far as fatigue, they will get to you because they are so brutal. Clubmans, like any traditional bar, are more comfortable because all of the vibration is transferred to rubber mounts in the tree and then deflected and absorbed through the bushings. I have ridden both, and Clubmans are miles away in all day comfort. I think they'll make a huge difference in the longevity of the trip. It also makes me remember BTC from her days in Blue...there's still a little english muffin and brit stout in the ol girl!

I am still a fan of the FU bars, and honestly. to swap them on will take so little time, you can have the best of both worlds, so you're golden on that front!

And hell, like Brandon said, if you ever wanna new set, just whip 'em up and you're good to go! That's the beauty, it can evolve as long as you want it to.

Good work brother.
 
Re: 360 beat the clock update 04/07/10

While I do agree with you Kiley on the vibration, even though all the clubmans I have ever rode were hard riser mounts cast into the top clamp,My point was not so much on vibration as it was on the amount of the riders weight that gets transferred to the hands! Any bar that requires you to lean over the tank puts weight on your hands and tires the wrist very quickly, which can result in hand numbness and cramps in your hands. I get that a bit after long rides with clip-ons. If you sit in a more upright position so that your body weight is directly over the seat, all of your weight is resting on the seat and none of your weight goes on your hands, which makes for a much more comfortable ride. Granted your performance handling is dramatically decreased, but you have to weigh out which you want to sacrifice, comfort or performance. You can't have your cake and eat it too!
 
Re: 360 beat the clock update 04/07/10

Sorry to side track but someone (read me) would love a better explanation (dummy style) on how you did the upholstery on your seat. I love it!
 
Re: 360 beat the clock update 04/07/10

Troy you can always go with a polly style mount, it stiffens it up but will not shake your knuckles loose... that is what i run in my HD with the big bars
 
Re: 360 beat the clock update 04/07/10

tWistedWheelz said:
Troy, I am a fan of the lower bars on BTC, and I have to say I do love the FU bars, but I think BTC is more suited to the low bars. With that said I do understand that due to your condition, lower bars are uncomfortable and that means less time spent in the saddle. TBC needs to have the wind in her face with you on her back, so by all means make the ride comfortable. Looks are a big part of a custom bike, but I am one to say that if you sacrifice comfort for looks you are no longer building a bike, but a artistic statue of a bike! You can't ride an uncomfortable bike no more than you can a statue, so what separates the two? Now, as far as the clubmans go, I say there is not much difference in those and the clip-ons when it come to carpel-tunnel, so a whole new set of bars seems to be the answer! When I made the statement about the beach cruiser looking bars from curbcast's drawing, I had all of this in mind. They should look great and feel better than any bar you have run yet! If you have never ridden on beach cruiser bars, you should try them. The BC bars allow you to sit more upright putting all of your weight over your seat so none of your weight is transferred to your hands, which the clip-ons, clubmans, and drag bars all do! I say give it a try, if you bring the bars back over the top of the tank a bit, you will have no weight on your wrist and it will look old school Hollywood too! Some simple 7/8 tube and a little sand filled bending, and BAM, you have beach cruiser bars. Also, if you build them like curbcast's designed, that will be the first BC bars I have ever seen that mount underneath the headlight, which I find completely SICK! Sorry for the long post, but I know you like the imput! ;D
Hey bud I really appreciate the advice. I've relied heavly on others throughout the build so I really appreciate it when guys have come forward with ideas. Some ideas I've used straight up, some got a twist while others were placed in a special place for future considerations. So I really appreciate your passion and ideas.
I see what you are saying but I'd be right back to mounting the bars to the forks which I was trying to get away from. Also believe it or not but with mid controls and cafe bars there is 0% weight on my hands. I'm very happy with my body positioning. The big bonus is they are mounted in risers and rubber. The other reason I wish to run cafe bars is the bike was sort of a throw back to the cafe. I like the fact that with the clubmans it still has a little bit of that left. I like the beach bars but not enough to change what I'm doing. Again, I appreciate you passion but I'm pretty happy with what I've got.

Kanticoy I'll have to go back and read your post before I can reply because only the last couple of post come up during reply. Kind of the sites way of telling me that I have way too many pages and its had enough of my ass. ;D


JRK5892 said:
Troy you can always go with a polly style mount, it stiffens it up but will not shake your knuckles loose... that is what i run in my HD with the big bars
That is a great idea Joe. I think I can remember you mentioning them before. Do you know if they make them for 7/8 bars?

ryanglade said:
Sorry to side track but someone (read me) would love a better explanation (dummy style) on how you did the upholstery on your seat. I love it!
No side track at all my friend. I love that saddle and I'm glad you asked about it. Swagger came up with the idea but it got changed slightly (by accident)It is super easy to build but in my opinion it looks tight. I'll try to walk you through tomorrow when I have more time if you don't mind. Anyhow, I really appreciate the kind words and I'm glad you like it.


Todays progress:
Well if anyone is still reading ::)I'm not even sure where to begin on todays progress. I guess to start with my hydraulic lines didn't come in for my tractor so I devoted the day to the bike. I painted the top of the carbs and they look so much better. Having the cars off I couldn't believe how bad the clear coat was. I started spraying the linkage with carb cleaner and the dlear coat rolled off. I'm glad it did because it was nasty looking. I'm not sure if I had the carbs too smooth when I clearcoated or what but the clear coat didn't stand up at all. I took a little steel wool and carb cleaner and removed all of the clear. They look so much better. I decided to leave them uncoated and put them back on the bike as is. Figure that if I have to redo them every year anyhow I'll just leave them raw. We'll see what happens.
Anyhow, I cleaned a bunch of other stuff and wrapped most of the wiring with cloth electrical tape. Tossed on a few zip ties and almost all of the wiring is hidden. However, I think on my next build I want to do internal wiring.
So mounted the tank and filled with fuel. The battery was left out inthe cold all winter :-[ ( I know better) and I had to fill all but one chamber. It had about 6 volts in it. I hooked it up to the battery on the generator and charged it up to 11.9volts. Put it in the bike and she fired on the second kick ;D. The throttle that I redid made the cable a little short and it was idling too high. I unhooked the cable and it idels fine. I need to try to figure out how to get more adjustment. At both ends it is tapped out on adjustment. It really doesn't need much. I can stretch the cable and make it idle where it is suposed to. I may take the carbs back off tomorrow and bend the throttle retainer ???. is that a bad idea?? Anyhow, after running for five minutes the battery voltage stayed the same. THe headlight is kind of yellow so I'm not sure what's up with that.
I hope to have some riding video soon!
Photo of the carbs:
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Re: 360 beat the clock update 04/07/10

They look great! Im a big fan of raw metal carbs man. Keeps them looking mechanical and functional above all.
 
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thanks man. I wonder how much work they will require a year from now??
 
Re: 360 beat the clock update 04/07/10

Just clean em with some strong degreaser every so often... Shouldnt get too bad.
 
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Cool. We'll see what they look like after a year of riding.

I worked out my issue with the throttle cable. I had converted to a single pull and had to drill and tap my new throttle. I believe a couple of others have done the same thing that is wa=hy I thought I'd share this. My throttle cable ended up being about 1/8" too shot and had no adjustment left. Checking it over this morning I noticed that the cable adjuster at the carb had a nut on each side of the clip. By placing both nuts on the carb side it allowed the adjuster to screw into the clip deeper. It can still be tightened as it needs to be and gave the cable the slack it needed to work. Now the bike doesn't idle at 3k.

Spent the day riding and had a blast. These bars are 1000% more comfortable than the clipons. I can ride all day and no problem what so ever. Almost no vibration compared to teeth rattling. Anyhow, the bike is starting on first and second kick. She pulled hard in all gears and I fell in love with the seat. Even though the shocks I'm running are welded solid (until I receive my newly powder coated ones) I love the way she handles. The kick stand does limit the lean angle a lot. It hangs down every bit 3" and that makes a huge difference (I plan to fix that). I 'm guilty of scraping a few different times. In defence, I did push it a tad bit here and there ;D. Anyhow, I can't wait for the DTT get together when a real rider can jump in her saddle and flog her the way she was meant to be ridden!

I had some video cooking but photobucket just now kicked it out because as they put it, "violates copyright laws" because of the music I added. I'll have to try youtube and pick from their music ::) I'll post it up once I get it loaded....
I'll have some video once its loaded. Got some decent footage but I'd like to add to it with some tower buz
 
Re: 360 beat the clock update 04/07/10

Share some info on the single throttle? What is the purpose, pros, and cons? I have seen a lot of nice clean singles, but not many push pulls I like. Glad BTC got some street time, somehow I feel it makes the world a better place.
 
Re: 360 beat the clock update 04/07/10

CresentSon said:
Share some info on the single throttle? What is the purpose, pros, and cons? I have seen a lot of nice clean singles, but not many push pulls I like. Glad BTC got some street time, somehow I feel it makes the world a better place.

I went with a single pull because of its simplicity and cleaness. One less cable to route and one less hanging from the bars. The issue that a few of us that did this is that the assembly was threaded wrong to fit our factory cables. It was a very simple fix. We just drilled and re threaded the assembly to fit our cables. The problem is the adjustment was thrown off. It might be an isolated case but my new assembly ate up more cable then our factory ones. This left the factory cable a little short. It was about an 1/8" of an inch but endedup being a very easy fix.
One other mod that I did was add a return spring to the throttle assembly at the carb. I don't think it is really needed but I wanted the throttle to snap back. Hope this helps

And thanks man. I know the world was a better place for me today ;D

Troy
 
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